[Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund

JSullivan jsullivan@moscow.com
Mon, 3 May 2004 20:12:11 -0700


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YO!!! TOM!!!=20

I just sent the "reply to all" that he did. Thought they might want to =
know "the rest of the story" and all that... Is there a problem with =
that????=20

*as she frantically looks up the online address to the National =
Enquirer*

Now! I am REALLY off to plant those seeds!

Sleep well!

Janesta Carcich Sullivan


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Hansen=20
  To: JSullivan ; Art Deco aka W. Fox ; Vision 2020=20
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's =
Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


  Yo, Janesta!

  It seems that you CC'd this to every newspaper in the free world but =
the National Enquirer.  Don't you like them?

  Enquiring minds want to know.

  Take care,

  Tom Hansen
    -----Original Message-----
    From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of JSullivan
    Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:58 PM
    To: Art Deco aka W. Fox; Vision 2020
    Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News; LuJane Nisse Publisher; Sharon Kehoe; =
Vera White Daily News; Murf Raquet Daily News; Ralph Nielsen
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's =
Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


    I feel in the political climate we are living in these days, ALL =
ideas are important and have an impact on each and every one of us. We =
need to stand up, and shout if need be, so that our voices are heard =
above the din of King George's rhetoric.  HOWEVER, that said, when =
something is sent to another PRIVATELY, it should remain private, unless =
the person receiving it gets permission to share it from the sender,  =
with the rest of the group. I belong to a paying chat site, if a private =
message were shared, the person sharing it would be flamed but good! =
Believe me, it is NOT a pretty sight!

    Yes, I did send the post below to the rest of the vision2020 group, =
as I felt since my privacy was breeched, I wanted people to know how I =
felt about it.=20

    I graciously accept your apology. I understand how things can get =
under the "heat of the moment".=20

    Let this be a lesson to us all, that in the future, we take a deep =
breath, maybe six or ten deep breaths... read our replies over... and =
over... and over... and only THEN, press the send key.

    May you all enjoy this pleasant spring evening! I am heading outside =
now to plant a few crawling, viney flowering seeds for my fencelines. =
You know what "they" say... Good fences make good neighbors? I thought I =
would make mine pretty. *soft laugh*

    Enjoy the week!

    Janesta Carcich Sullivan


      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Art Deco aka W. Fox=20
      To: JSullivan ; Vision 2020=20
      Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News ; LuJane Nisse Publisher ; Sharon =
Kehoe ; Vera White Daily News ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; Ralph Nielsen=20
      Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:25 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's =
Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


      Janesta,

      I am sorry if I did not notice that your previous message to me =
was not sent to all Vision 2020 readers.

      The [Vision 2020] heading was in the subject.  Once seeing that, I =
carelessly did not look at To: address.  That was my mistake.  Had I =
noticed the differences in addresses, I would have responded to you =
privately.  I again apologize for not noticing the solo addressee on =
your email.

      In some cases private messages resulting from Vision 2020 posts =
have been posted to the entire forum for a variety of reasons.  Your =
post was one that had I been more careful, I would not have forwarded.  =
I notice, however, the post below was sent to the entire forum.

      However, you did  raise a legitimate issue:  What ideas are =
allowable and how are they to be allowed to be expressed on Vision 2020? =
=20

      Perhaps, there are as many different opinions on this matter as =
there are Vision 2020 posters.  We now have some idea of what Don =
Coombs' opinion is.

      From my previous answer you can tell that I was one of those that =
saw more than prudishness when John Ashcroft covered the bare breasts of =
Justice.  His shrouding action was symbolic of his closed approach to =
what should be public business and open to robust and varied discussion.

      Thank you for your open remarks; I sincerely hope that you can =
forgive my egregious mistake in accidentally making a private =
communication public.

      Wayne

      Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
      deco@moscow.com

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: JSullivan=20
        To: Art Deco aka W. Fox ; Vision 2020=20
        Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News ; LuJane Nisse Publisher ; Sharon =
Kehoe ; Vera White Daily News ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; Ralph Nielsen=20
        Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:13 PM
        Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult =
Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


        Is it a normal practice to forward on a private message from one =
party to the other, in this forum..... to everyone? I am a very private =
person, and don't appreciate this one iota. You can write whatever you =
want to, as can I. I just find the breech of my private opinion to you, =
reenforces what I said to you, albeit PRIVATELY, that you are a person =
lacking in manners AND class. Or was it dignity and class? *nodding*  =
I'll add manners to the list. For someone so steadfast in lawyers doing =
the right thing in a court of law, you might want to consider thinking =
about "doing the right thing" yourself. Just because you CAN post my =
private message to you, in public, does not in ANY WAY mean that you =
SHOULD.=20

        As a matter of fact, I DO use the delete key on a regular basis. =
Less so these days, since the religious haggling has died down somewhat. =


        Good day, Mr. Fox.

        Janesta Carcich Sullivan
          ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Art Deco aka W. Fox=20
          To: Vision 2020=20
          Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News ; LuJane Nisse Publisher ; Sharon =
Kehoe ; Vera White Daily News ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; Ralph Nielsen=20
          Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:11 AM
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult =
Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


          Janesta and those that share her point of view [all or in =
part],

          Thank you for your comments.

          It would miraculous and surprising if everyone one =
participating in an online or other forum agreed with or was pleased by =
everything everyone else wrote.

          If I have read the many thousands of Vision 2020 posts and =
responses correctly, many participants express a great variety of =
responses to other postings: various nuances of agreement, anger, =
disgust, helplessness, amusement, shock, befuddlement, cluelessness, =
etc. are evident.  This is to be expected in an open, public forum in a =
community with a wide variety of outlooks, manners of expression, =
talents, subjects of interest, and gradients of education and knowledge. =
 Also to be considered:  although many claim to, observations lead one =
to believe that no one person or organization owns the truth -- the =
universe is too complicated to be understood by a single person or =
group.

          While Dan Carscallen and I do not always agree, I appreciate =
his terse humor.  I appreciate Sunil's polite, incisive, persistent =
commentary, and Saundra Lund's, Rose Huskey's, and Joan Opyr's brisk, =
cutting irony, sarcasm, and willingness to research facts.  Although I =
seldom agreed with Dale Courtney, I respected his willingness to present =
statistics and graphs to argue his point of view.  I appreciate Tom =
Hansen's sometimes emotional postings and labor intensive, caring allied =
website.  I don't always agree with Tim Lohrman, but I try to see =
exactly where he is coming from and learn from it.  LuJane and I have =
quite different worldviews.  The list could go on and on.

          Each individual has their own point of view and preferences.

          Similarly, when presenting a point of view, a writer has his =
choice of many different literary devices.  Depending on the =
circumstances, subject, stimulus, and objectives, a writer attempts to =
choose, perhaps in error, the most effective devices to reach their =
goals.

          You find the device I used in the post at issue to be =
tasteless and objectionable.  There is no doubt that it is quite graphic =
parody -- a device sometimes used by other Vision 2020 posters and =
surprise:  millions of other writers.  Depending on their point of view =
and life's experience, some readers might find such graphic parody =
extreme.  Those that participate in national on-line forums and/or =
frequently read OP-ED pages probably would not find it so.

          I purposely changed the title of the thread at issue so as to =
warn potential readers.  When seeing the title "Inspirational Story of =
the Cult Master's Testicles," the timid should guess that the content =
would not be as tame or as civil as would the content expected in a post =
entitled "High Tea at Good Samaritan Village."  Delete keys have their =
uses.

          I hope that most of us can agree that free expression of ideas =
and the way chosen to express those ideas is one of the most important, =
fundamental elements of an open, secular society.  Just as you are free =
to say what you wish and how to say it, others are also.  That is what =
makes us free.

          Each of us must choose which of our ever-evolving opinions to =
express and how to express them to reach certain goals.  It would be an =
exercise in extreme egotism to think that one's writings would have a =
desirable, persuasive, positive effect on all members of the reading =
audience.  I entertain no such hopes.  In fact, I would be happy for a =
5% positive response; perhaps even that is too high.

          Thank you again for your feedback.  Your (or anyone else's) =
censorious use of the delete key for any of my future posts would =
certainly be understandable and not at all objectionable.  However, =
please consider allowing each individual the freedom to decide what to =
do with any particular posting -- each can invoke their own censor =
without help from the rest of us.

          Respectfully,

          Wayne

          Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
          deco@moscow.com

            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: JSullivan=20
            To: Art Deco aka W. Fox=20
            Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 8:30 PM
            Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult =
Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


            While I find little to concur with these days regarding Mr. =
Wilson, and what he espouses, and I do consider myself "normal". I find =
this exercise in writing to be in very poor taste for this forum. It =
shows a real lack of dignity and class on your part, Mr. Fox. I fail to =
see the humor in it. Am I alone in feeling this way?

            Janesta Carcich Sullivan


              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: Art Deco aka W. Fox=20
              To: Vision 2020 ; Saundra Lund=20
              Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News ; LuJane Nisse Publisher ; =
Sharon Kehoe ; Vera White Daily News ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; Ralph =
Nielsen=20
              Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:40 PM
              Subject: [Vision2020] Inspirational Story of the Cult =
Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund


              Saundra (and other Normal Folks),

              =20

              Thank you for your Vision 2020 reposting, appropriately on =
Sunday, of some of Moscow, Idaho Christ Church Cult Master Douglas =
Wilson's views on women.

              =20

              Wilson's deep, gut-churning, almost-lethal-flatulence =
producing fear and massive ignorance of women as well as his quavering =
horror of castration torturously screams out from his writings.  =
However, it is too late for him to worry about losing his balls.  Fait =
Accompli.

              =20

              Further, it is particularly uncanny that you raised the =
issue of the Cult Master's testicles at this particular time!

              =20

              I've just been updated about their status by inside man =
Gray Greenphlegm (Zoomie's Bakery, Booger's Coffee House, Greenphlegm =
Coffee, Balls and Crotch Book Stall, etc.).  The true story of the =
misadventures of the Cult Master's balls is a marvelous, divinely =
inspired, modern religious parable.

              =20

              We last heard of the Cult Master's balls when they were in =
the hands (no pun intended) of Rose Huskey, sorceress and excisor by her =
wit of pathetic Douglas Wilson's balls.

              =20

              Rose was exhibiting these singular objects around the =
Palouse not only because they formerly belonged to the Cult Master, but =
because of their curious, unexpected properties.  First, coming from =
such a large, obese man the testicles were tiny and underdeveloped.  =
Second, they were not ovoid but round like those of a hyena.  Third, =
they were not flesh colored but were an amazing bright scarlet.  "They =
look like rotten miniature beets!" exclaimed both attorney Gregor =
Dickistoosmal and Aaron Retch of the Collegiate Deformed Fellowship.

              =20

              Rose Huskey is a practical woman.  For exhibition =
purposes, she was carrying the Cult Master's testicles around in a =
zip-lock bag.  Unfortunately, she was almost run down in that dangerous =
crosswalk by the Moscow Police Station.  During her scurry, she =
accidentally dropped Douglas Wilson's balls.

              =20

              Fortunately, they were immediately found by Eileen I. =
Wantout, famous, eccentric Moscow sculptress and member of the Christ =
Church Cult.

              =20

              It is well known that an insanely driving creative urge =
sometimes seizes and possesses Ms. Wantout.  This time the urge hit her =
when she was in a semi-comatose state induced by listening to one of =
Douglas Wilson's taped sermons.  In her impaired state she mistook the =
Cult Master's balls for play-dough.  She then tried to fashion them into =
shapes of small animals and religious icons.  Unfortunately, this did =
not work.

              =20

              Giving her effort up as a lost cause, Eileen returned the =
Cult Master's mangled balls to their zip-lock bag and absentmindedly put =
them in her purse.  Like Thales of yore, Eileen sometimes wanders about =
with her wits focused on things other than where she is going or what =
she is doing.  Consequently, her purse was snatched.

              =20

              When the snatcher opened the purse to extract its =
treasures, the first thing he discovered was the Cult Master's tiny, =
mangled balls.  This so thoroughly discommoded the snatcher that he =
threw the zip-lock bag with the tiny scarlet, rotten beet look-alikes =
into the first automobile with an open window he found.

              =20

              Miraculously, the receiving vessel belonged to Norma =
Stonewell, internationally famous painter.  Stonewell had recently and =
graciously volunteered to do an 11 x 8 foot inspirational painting for =
the University of Idaho's Women's Center.  She was artistically blocked, =
however, because she was unable to find a pigment of just the right =
color for strategic parts of her brilliant artistic conception.

              =20

              Talk about divine serendipity!  The Cult Master's balls =
were exactly the natural color Stonewell was looking for!

              =20

              The rest is history.  Stonewell immediately took the Cult =
Master's testicles to her studio.  Norma then crushed and ground Douglas =
Wilson's balls with her massive mortar and pestle, adding secret =
ingredients and thus making pigment from them.  She then painted =
feverishly for several weeks to produce her now famous masterpiece of =
classical religious allegory.

              =20

              As most of you know the painting depicts a young woman =
standing triumphantly over the body of a dead pastor who had just =
ordered her death by stoning in a great, blithering rage.  The young =
woman had dared to declare that women have the same rights as men!  The =
pastor depicted in the painting is an utterly unmistakable image of the =
gluttonous Douglas Wilson.

              =20

              Exhibiting a brilliant stroke of divinely inspired, =
stunning symbolism and subtext, the painting clearly shows that the =
pastor choked to death after swallowing a gargantuan gob of eagle feces. =
 There is no other reasonable interpretation than this massive, =
multi-colored, amorphous mass fell from the sky just as the pastor was =
looking upward exhorting God to visit holy, heinous, basaltic vengeance =
on the young woman.

              =20

              Stonewell's vivid, meticulous portraiture of the nearby, =
still circling eagle and the scrupulously detailed partially =
saliva-covered flecks and jagged clumps of eagle feces spewed in and =
around the mouth and beard of the dead pastor (whose lips and interior =
mouth were colored in part using the pigment described above) are =
considered to be the finest examples of micro-detailing in the history =
of painting.  In fact, as most know, Stonewell unanimously won the Nobel =
Prize for this magnificent work of art as well as unanimously winning =
many other prestigious awards.  Many claim that in voting for all these =
awards, the juries were directly guided by the hand of God.

              =20

              Norma Stonewell's painting, entitled "God Drops a Hint", =
adorns a wall of the UI Women's Center.  Despite having lost his balls, =
this exhibition must make Cult Master Douglas Wilson feel especially =
warm and prickly all over:  His former testicles are now helping to =
inspire women of all ages, races, and sexual orientations toward =
achieving full equality and full self-realization.

              =20

              In a previous posting the following was mentioned when =
Wilson's son-in-law, Ben Merkle, also lost his balls also to Rose =
Huskey's castrating wit.  (Now, Ben's balls are enshrined in the giant =
jar of pickled eggs at the Corner Club.)  According to the Know-Alls at =
Christian Bestiality, testicles from an Athabaskan pygmy goat could =
normally be transplanted onto the Cult Master.  This was diligently and =
strenuously tried, but unfortunately, the operation was a failure.  The =
goat testicles rejected the patient.

              =20

              Sincerely,

              =20
              Wayne

              Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
              deco@moscow.com


              =20

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund@adelphia.net>
              To: "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'" <deco@moscow.com>; "'Vision =
2020'" <vision2020@moscow.com>
              Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:07 AM
              Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Cult Master: Women should not be =
able to choose to defend their country


              | Hi Mr. Fox,
              |=20
              | I'm not at all surprised by Wilson's Absent Without =
Leave blog entry.  For
              | the benefit of new V2020 members and for those who may =
have missed it the
              | first time around, I'm going to repost part of my "Why =
Moscow?" post from a
              | couple of months ago.
              |=20
              | Wilson has written:
              | "If those who hate the Word of God can succeed in =
getting Christians to be
              | embarrassed by any portion of the Word of God, then that =
portion will
              | continually be employed as a battering ram against the =
godly principles that
              | are currently under attack.  In our day, three of the =
principal issues are
              | abortion, feminism, and sodomy."
              | http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol4/them4-6.htm
              |=20
              | Clearly, then, we understand Wilson and his church's =
position on "abortion,
              | feminism, and sodomy."  <sigh>
              |=20
              | However, how many of us knew that Wilson's opposition to =
equal rights for
              | women is rabid enough that should women be allowed in =
combat to defend our
              | country, he would advocate the following?
              |=20
              | "The American military is currently acting the part of a =
weak sister.  The
              | pressure is on to bring women into combat roles. . . =
Indications of our
              | cultural dissolution are legion these days, but this one =
ranks in the top
              | five . . . A nation defended by her women is a nation no =
longer worth
              | defending.  When women are placed in the front line of =
defense, every
              | Christian man should walk away from the cause of that =
nation as being
              | beneath contempt.  Taking this a step further, a nation =
as far gone as to
              | think that women in combat is a viable way to go is a =
nation which is no
              | longer defensible in principle-even if there remains a =
misguided desire to
              | defend it.  Men who understand their duties in this =
regard . . . should
              | recognize that the result of all our evangelical =
dithering about is that the
              | nation which we call the United States has already been =
lost."
              | http://www.credenda.org/issues/10-3husbandry.php
              |=20
              | Wow!
              |=20
              | Since the US is already "lost," what, then, is a man to =
do?  Well, never
              | fear because Wilson has your answer, and it offers =
further insight into his
              | empire building here in Moscow:
              |=20
              | "Families should begin congregating in communities where =
these duties are
              | understood, and the men of those communities have every =
intention of
              | fulfilling those duties.  Christian men who are in the =
military should get
              | out at the first lawful opportunity and move to a =
community where they may
              | defend their families instead of their current unwilling =
defense of the
              | feminist agenda . . . The prohibition to women in =
Deuteronomy 22:5 is one
              | which blindsides us.  We knew abortion and homosexuality =
were abominations."
              |=20
              | Double-wow!!  So, is it Wilson's perception that *our* =
Moscow community
              | *doesn't* support women's rights (among other things)??? =
 I guess he thinks
              | it doesn't really matter what our community values since =
his empire is
              | recruiting people to move to our community who share his =
desires for a
              | theocracy -- I guess he figures (incorrectly, I hope) =
that has to start
              | someplace, so he's targeted our community as the first =
step  :-(  That seems
              | clear to me in spite of Wilson's public protestations =
otherwise.
              |=20
              | I hope and pray this community will continue to wake up =
and smell Wilson's
              | coffee . . . and understand *why* it's necessary to =
speak out against such
              | wickedness.  He has a very clearly stated agenda that I =
believe is abhorrent
              | to our community and flatly antithetical to what makes =
our community Moscow.
              |=20
              | But, please, Please, PLEASE *don't* take my word for it! =
 Go straight to the
              | horse's mouth and read Wilson's own published words.  =
Compare and contrast
              | what he says when he's talking to others who share his =
beliefs with what he
              | says when he's addressing those who don't share his =
particular flavor of
              | Christianity.  As a community, I hope we will continue =
to use our collective
              | critical thinking skills to keep the wool from being =
pulled over our eyes.
              |=20
              | So, please remind me again:  who is it that's supposed =
to be intolerant???
              |=20
              |=20
              | Saundra Lund
              | Proud Intoleristas
              | Moscow, ID
              |=20
              | -----Original Message-----
              | From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
              | Behalf Of Art Deco aka W. Fox
              | Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:10 PM
              | To: Vision 2020
              | Subject: [Vision2020] Cult Master: Women should not be =
able to choose to
              | defend their country
              |=20
              |=20
              | Normal Folks,
              |=20
              | The following is a dido (perhaps, some might uncivilly =
say "dildo"[you can
              | infer his target]) from Christ Church Cult Master =
Douglas Wilson's
              | self-sucking weblog (webblot?) www.dougwils.com.=20
              |=20
              | Not only should women be disallowed from being on the =
board of his two-bit
              | cult school, Bogus School, (despite the fact at the time =
of his initial
              | suggestion, both the President and Prime Minister of =
Finland were women),
              | but apparently women should not be given the freedom to =
choose how they wish
              | to serve their country!
              |=20
              | It also appears that it is more important to the Cult =
Master that he win his
              | private "cultural conflict" (anti-egalitarism) than it =
is for the U.S. to
              | bring the conflict in Iraq to a satisfactory conclusion =
(assuming one is
              | possible).
              |=20
              | Can you say "pathological egomaniacal megalomania" or =
the less polite
              | equivalent?
              |=20
              | Wayne
              |=20
              | Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
              | deco@moscow.com
              |=20
              | __________________________________________________
              | Absent Without Leave
              | Topic: Current Events
              |=20
              | As the war in Iraq grinds on, multiple lessons can be =
gleaned from it. And
              | not all the lessons have anything to do with the =
tactical details of this
              | particular war.
              |=20
              | One of the most strking things about this conflict is =
that when I see
              | talking heads on the teevee talking about it, whether =
they support or oppose
              | the war, whether they are conservative or liberal, they =
always manage to get
              | in something about how they of course support "our brave =
men and women" in
              | uniform. And there, with those two words -- "and women" =
-- we have a
              | showcase example of how our domestic kennel-fed =
conservative leaders do not
              | have any earthly idea of what kind of cultural conflict =
we are in.
              | Apparently victory in Iraq is important enough that we =
should purchase it
              | through fundamental defeats here at home.
              |=20
              | When young girls are killed or maimed in combat, where =
are the leading
              | conservative spokesmen who take the opportunity to raise =
the point and press
              | it? Why does no one point out that the abomination is, =
you know, abominable?
              | Of course, they don't do it then out of consideration =
for the grieving
              | families. And they don't do it later because there is no =
reason to when the
              | heat is off. For all the saber-rattling conservatives =
can do when it comes
              | to fighting backward nations with high-tech weaponry, =
when it comes to an
              | issue that might require actual courage from them, they =
are to use a
              | military term, AWOL.

              | Posted by Douglas Wilson - 4/30/2004 9:22:06 AM
              | =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>YO!!! TOM!!! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just sent the "reply to all" that he =
did. Thought=20
they might want to know "the rest of the story" and all that...&nbsp;Is =
there a=20
problem with that???? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*as she frantically looks up the online =
address to=20
the National Enquirer*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now! I am REALLY off to plant those=20
seeds!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sleep well!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta Carcich Sullivan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dthansen@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom =
Hansen</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djsullivan@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:jsullivan@moscow.com">JSullivan</A> ; <A =
title=3Ddeco@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco aka W. Fox</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision=20
  2020</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, 2004 8:10 =
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] =
Inspirational=20
  Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra Lund</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Yo,=20
  Janesta!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It seems that=20
  you CC'd this to every newspaper in the free world&nbsp;but the =
National=20
  Enquirer.&nbsp; Don't you like them?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Enquiring minds=20
  want to know.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Take=20
  care,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D405250803-04052004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Tom=20
  Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com">vision2020-admin@moscow.com</=
A>=20
    [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of=20
    </B>JSullivan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, 2004 7:58 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Art=20
    Deco aka W. Fox; Vision 2020<BR><B>Cc:</B> Nathan Alford Daily News; =
LuJane=20
    Nisse Publisher; Sharon Kehoe; Vera White Daily News; Murf Raquet =
Daily=20
    News; Ralph Nielsen<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
Inspirational Story=20
    of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response to Saundra=20
    Lund<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I feel in the political climate we =
are living=20
    in these days, ALL ideas are important and have an impact on each =
and every=20
    one of us. We need to stand up, and shout if need be, so that our =
voices are=20
    heard above the din of King George's rhetoric. &nbsp;HOWEVER, that =
said,=20
    when something is sent to another PRIVATELY, it should remain =
private,=20
    unless the person receiving it gets permission to share it from the =
sender,=20
    &nbsp;with the rest of the group. I belong to a paying chat site, if =
a=20
    private message were shared, the person sharing it would be flamed =
but good!=20
    Believe me, it is NOT a pretty sight!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, I did send the post below to =
the rest of=20
    the vision2020 group, as I felt&nbsp;since my privacy was breeched, =
I wanted=20
    people to know how I felt about it.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I graciously accept your apology. I =
understand=20
    how things can get under the "heat of the moment". </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let this be&nbsp;a lesson to us =
all, that in=20
    the future, we take a deep breath, maybe six or ten deep breaths... =
read our=20
    replies over... and over... and over... and only THEN, press the =
send=20
    key.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>May you all enjoy this pleasant =
spring evening!=20
    I am heading outside now to plant a few crawling, viney flowering =
seeds for=20
    my fencelines. You know what "they" say... Good fences make good =
neighbors?=20
    I thought I would make mine pretty. *soft laugh*</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enjoy the week!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta Carcich =
Sullivan</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art =
Deco aka W.=20
      Fox</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djsullivan@moscow.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:jsullivan@moscow.com">JSullivan</A> ; <A=20
      title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision=20
      2020</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dalford@dnews.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:alford@dnews.com">Nathan Alford Daily News</A> ; <A =

      title=3Dlujane@lataheagle.com =
href=3D"mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com">LuJane=20
      Nisse Publisher</A> ; <A title=3Dskehoe@uidaho.edu=20
      href=3D"mailto:skehoe@uidaho.edu">Sharon Kehoe</A> ; <A=20
      title=3DVeraWhite@aol.com href=3D"mailto:VeraWhite@aol.com">Vera =
White Daily=20
      News</A> ; <A title=3Dmurf@dnews.com =
href=3D"mailto:murf@dnews.com">Murf=20
      Raquet Daily News</A> ; <A title=3Dnielsen@uidaho.edu=20
      href=3D"mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph Nielsen</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, 2004 =
7:25=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]=20
      Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response to =
Saundra=20
      Lund</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Janesta,</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>I am sorry if I did not notice that your =
previous=20
      message to me was not sent to all Vision 2020 =
readers.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>The [Vision 2020] heading was in the =
subject.&nbsp; Once=20
      seeing that, I carelessly did not look at To: address.&nbsp; That =
was my=20
      mistake.&nbsp; Had I noticed the differences in addresses, I would =
have=20
      responded to you privately.&nbsp; I again apologize for not =
noticing the=20
      solo addressee on your email.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>In some cases private messages resulting from =
Vision=20
      2020 posts have been posted to the entire forum for a variety of=20
      reasons.&nbsp; Your post was one that had I been more careful, I =
would not=20
      have forwarded.&nbsp; I notice, however,&nbsp;the post below was =
sent to=20
      the entire forum.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>However, you did&nbsp; raise a legitimate =
issue:&nbsp;=20
      What ideas are allowable and how&nbsp;are they&nbsp;to =
be&nbsp;allowed to=20
      be expressed&nbsp;on Vision 2020?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Perhaps, there are as many different opinions =
on this=20
      matter as there are Vision 2020 posters.&nbsp; We now have some =
idea of=20
      what Don Coombs' opinion is.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>From my previous answer you can tell that I =
was one of=20
      those that saw more than prudishness when John Ashcroft covered =
the bare=20
      breasts of Justice.&nbsp; His shrouding action was symbolic of his =
closed=20
      approach to what should be public business and open to robust and =
varied=20
      discussion.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Thank you for your open remarks; I sincerely =
hope that=20
      you can forgive my egregious mistake in accidentally making a =
private=20
      communication public.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D4>
      <DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Art Deco&nbsp; (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV=
>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Djsullivan@moscow.com=20
        href=3D"mailto:jsullivan@moscow.com">JSullivan</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddeco@moscow.com=20
        href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco aka W. Fox</A> ; <A=20
        title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision=20
        2020</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dalford@dnews.com=20
        href=3D"mailto:alford@dnews.com">Nathan Alford Daily News</A> ; =
<A=20
        title=3Dlujane@lataheagle.com =
href=3D"mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com">LuJane=20
        Nisse Publisher</A> ; <A title=3Dskehoe@uidaho.edu=20
        href=3D"mailto:skehoe@uidaho.edu">Sharon Kehoe</A> ; <A=20
        title=3DVeraWhite@aol.com href=3D"mailto:VeraWhite@aol.com">Vera =
White Daily=20
        News</A> ; <A title=3Dmurf@dnews.com =
href=3D"mailto:murf@dnews.com">Murf=20
        Raquet Daily News</A> ; <A title=3Dnielsen@uidaho.edu=20
        href=3D"mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph Nielsen</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, =
2004 6:13=20
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =

        Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response =
to=20
        Saundra Lund</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is it a&nbsp;normal practice to =
forward on=20
        a private message from one party to the other,&nbsp;in this =
forum.....=20
        to everyone? I am a very private person, and don't appreciate =
this one=20
        iota. You can write whatever you want to, as can I. I just find =
the=20
        breech of my private opinion to you, reenforces what I said to =
you,=20
        albeit PRIVATELY, that you are a person lacking in manners AND =
class. Or=20
        was it dignity and class? *nodding* &nbsp;I'll add manners to =
the list.=20
        For someone so steadfast in lawyers doing the right thing in a =
court of=20
        law, you might want to consider thinking about "doing the right =
thing"=20
        yourself. Just because you CAN post my private message to you, =
in=20
        public, does not in ANY WAY mean that you SHOULD. </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As a matter of fact, I DO use =
the delete=20
        key on a regular basis. Less so these days, since the=20
        religious&nbsp;haggling has died down somewhat. </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good day, Mr. Fox.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta Carcich =
Sullivan</FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
          <DIV=20
          style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
          <A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art =
Deco aka W.=20
          Fox</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
          title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision=20
          2020</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dalford@dnews.com=20
          href=3D"mailto:alford@dnews.com">Nathan Alford Daily News</A> =
; <A=20
          title=3Dlujane@lataheagle.com =
href=3D"mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com">LuJane=20
          Nisse Publisher</A> ; <A title=3Dskehoe@uidaho.edu=20
          href=3D"mailto:skehoe@uidaho.edu">Sharon Kehoe</A> ; <A=20
          title=3DVeraWhite@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:VeraWhite@aol.com">Vera White=20
          Daily News</A> ; <A title=3Dmurf@dnews.com=20
          href=3D"mailto:murf@dnews.com">Murf Raquet Daily News</A> ; <A =

          title=3Dnielsen@uidaho.edu =
href=3D"mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph=20
          Nielsen</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 03, =
2004 9:11=20
          AM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Vision2020]=20
          Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A Response =
to=20
          Saundra Lund</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Janesta and those that share her point of =
view [all=20
          or in part],</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Thank you for your comments.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>It would miraculous and surprising if =
everyone=20
          one&nbsp;participating in&nbsp;an online or other forum agreed =
with or=20
          was pleased by everything everyone else wrote.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>If I have read the many thousands of =
Vision 2020=20
          posts and responses correctly, many participants express a =
great=20
          variety of responses to other postings: various nuances of =
agreement,=20
          anger, disgust, helplessness, amusement, shock, befuddlement,=20
          cluelessness, etc.&nbsp;are evident. &nbsp;This is to be =
expected in=20
          an open, public forum&nbsp;in a community with a wide variety =
of=20
          outlooks, manners of expression, talents,&nbsp;subjects of =
interest,=20
          and&nbsp;gradients of education and knowledge.&nbsp; Also to =
be=20
          considered:&nbsp; although many claim to, observations lead =
one to=20
          believe that no one person or organization owns the truth -- =
the=20
          universe is too complicated to be understood by&nbsp;a=20
          single&nbsp;person or group.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>While Dan Carscallen and I do not always =
agree, I=20
          appreciate his terse humor.&nbsp; I appreciate Sunil's polite, =

          incisive, persistent commentary, and Saundra Lund's, Rose =
Huskey's,=20
          and Joan Opyr's brisk, cutting irony, sarcasm, and willingness =
to=20
          research facts.&nbsp; Although I seldom agreed with Dale =
Courtney, I=20
          respected his willingness to present statistics and graphs to =
argue=20
          his point of view.&nbsp; I appreciate Tom Hansen's sometimes =
emotional=20
          postings and labor intensive, caring allied website.&nbsp; I =
don't=20
          always agree with Tim Lohrman, but I try to&nbsp;see=20
          exactly&nbsp;where he is coming from and learn from it.&nbsp; =
LuJane=20
          and I have quite different worldviews.&nbsp; The list could go =
on and=20
          on.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Each individual has their own point of =
view and=20
          preferences.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Similarly, when presenting a point of =
view, a writer=20
          has his choice of many different literary devices.&nbsp; =
Depending on=20
          the circumstances, subject, stimulus, and objectives, a writer =

          attempts to choose, perhaps in error,&nbsp;the most effective =
devices=20
          to reach their goals.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>You find the device I used in the post at =
issue to=20
          be tasteless and objectionable.&nbsp; There is no doubt that=20
          it&nbsp;is quite graphic parody&nbsp;-- a device sometimes =
used=20
          by&nbsp;other Vision 2020 posters and surprise:&nbsp; millions =
of=20
          other writers.&nbsp; Depending on&nbsp;their point of view and =
life's=20
          experience, some readers might find such graphic parody =
extreme.&nbsp;=20
          Those that participate in&nbsp;national on-line forums and/or=20
          frequently read OP-ED pages probably would not find it=20
so.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>I purposely changed the title of the =
thread at issue=20
          so as to warn potential readers.&nbsp; When seeing the title=20
          "Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles," the =
timid should=20
          guess that the content would not be&nbsp;as tame&nbsp;or as =
civil as=20
          would the content expected in a post entitled "High Tea at =
Good=20
          Samaritan Village."&nbsp; Delete keys have their =
uses.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>I hope that most of us can agree that free =

          expression of ideas and the way&nbsp;chosen to express=20
          those&nbsp;ideas is one of the most important,=20
          fundamental&nbsp;elements of an open, secular society.&nbsp; =
Just as=20
          you are free to say what you wish and how to say it, others =
are=20
          also.&nbsp; That is what makes us free.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Each of us must choose which of our =
ever-evolving=20
          opinions to express and how to express them to reach certain=20
          goals.&nbsp; It would be an exercise in extreme egotism to =
think that=20
          one's writings would have a desirable, persuasive, positive =
effect on=20
          all members of the reading audience.&nbsp; I entertain no such =

          hopes.&nbsp; In fact, I would be happy for a 5% positive =
response;=20
          perhaps even that is too high.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Thank you again for your feedback.&nbsp; =
Your (or=20
          anyone else's) censorious use of the delete key for any of my =
future=20
          posts would certainly be understandable and not at all=20
          objectionable.&nbsp; However, please consider allowing each =
individual=20
          the freedom to decide what to do with any particular posting =
-- each=20
          can invoke their own censor without help from the rest of=20
          us.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Respectfully,</FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D4>
          <DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>Art Deco&nbsp; (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
            <DIV=20
            style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
            <A title=3Djsullivan@moscow.com=20
            href=3D"mailto:jsullivan@moscow.com">JSullivan</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddeco@moscow.com=20
            href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco aka W. Fox</A> =
</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 02, =
2004 8:30=20
            PM</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Vision2020]=20
            Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A =
Response to=20
            Saundra Lund</DIV>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While I find little=20
            to&nbsp;concur&nbsp;with these days&nbsp;regarding Mr. =
Wilson, and=20
            what he espouses,&nbsp;and I do consider myself =
"normal".&nbsp;I=20
            find this exercise in writing to be in very poor taste for =
this=20
            forum. It shows a real lack of dignity and class on your =
part, Mr.=20
            Fox. I fail to see the humor in it. Am I alone in feeling =
this=20
            way?</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta Carcich =
Sullivan</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
            style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
----- </DIV>
              <DIV=20
              style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; =
font-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
              <A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com =
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco=20
              aka W. Fox</A> </DIV>
              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
              title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
              href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> ; <A =

              title=3Dsslund@adelphia.net=20
              href=3D"mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> =
</DIV>
              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dalford@dnews.com=20
              href=3D"mailto:alford@dnews.com">Nathan Alford Daily =
News</A> ; <A=20
              title=3Dlujane@lataheagle.com=20
              href=3D"mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com">LuJane Nisse =
Publisher</A> ;=20
              <A title=3Dskehoe@uidaho.edu =
href=3D"mailto:skehoe@uidaho.edu">Sharon=20
              Kehoe</A> ; <A title=3DVeraWhite@aol.com=20
              href=3D"mailto:VeraWhite@aol.com">Vera White Daily =
News</A> ; <A=20
              title=3Dmurf@dnews.com href=3D"mailto:murf@dnews.com">Murf =
Raquet=20
              Daily News</A> ; <A title=3Dnielsen@uidaho.edu=20
              href=3D"mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">Ralph Nielsen</A> =
</DIV>
              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May =
02, 2004=20
              7:40 PM</DIV>
              <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
[Vision2020]=20
              Inspirational Story of the Cult Master's Testicles: A =
Response to=20
              Saundra Lund</DIV>
              <DIV><BR></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Saundra =
(and other=20
              Normal Folks),</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Thank =
you for your=20
              Vision 2020 reposting, appropriately on Sunday, of some of =
Moscow,=20
              Idaho Christ Church Cult Master Douglas Wilson=92s views =
on=20
              women.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Wilson=92s deep,=20
              gut-churning, almost-lethal-flatulence producing fear and =
massive=20
              ignorance of women as well as his quavering horror of =
castration=20
              torturously screams out&nbsp;from his writings.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>However, it is =
too late=20
              for him to worry about losing his balls.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Fait =
Accompli.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Further, it is=20
              <STRONG>particularly uncanny</STRONG> that you raised the =
issue of=20
              the Cult Master=92s testicles at this particular time!</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I=92ve =
just been=20
              updated about their status by inside man Gray Greenphlegm=20
              (Zoomie=92s Bakery, Booger=92s Coffee House, Greenphlegm =
Coffee, Balls=20
              and Crotch Book Stall, etc.). <SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The true story of =
the=20
              misadventures of the Cult Master=92s balls is a marvelous, =
divinely=20
              inspired, modern religious parable.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">We last =
heard of=20
              the Cult Master=92s balls when they were in the hands (no =
pun=20
              intended) of Rose Huskey, sorceress and excisor by her wit =
of=20
              pathetic Douglas Wilson=92s balls.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Rose =
was exhibiting=20
              these singular objects around the Palouse not only because =
they=20
              formerly belonged to the Cult Master, but because of their =

              curious, unexpected properties.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>First, coming =
from such a=20
              large, obese man the testicles were tiny and =
underdeveloped.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Second, they =
were not=20
              ovoid but round like those of a hyena.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Third, they were =
not flesh=20
              colored but were an amazing bright scarlet.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>=93They look =
like rotten=20
              miniature beets!=94 exclaimed both attorney Gregor =
Dickistoosmal and=20
              Aaron Retch of the Collegiate Deformed Fellowship.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Rose =
Huskey is a=20
              practical woman.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>For=20
              exhibition purposes, she was carrying the Cult Master=92s =
testicles=20
              around in a zip-lock bag.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
              </SPAN>Unfortunately, she was almost run down in that =
dangerous=20
              crosswalk by the Moscow Police Station.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>During her =
scurry, she=20
              accidentally dropped Douglas Wilson=92s balls.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Fortunately, they=20
              were immediately found by Eileen I. Wantout, famous, =
eccentric=20
              Moscow sculptress and member of the Christ Church =
Cult.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It is =
well known=20
              that an insanely driving creative urge sometimes seizes =
and=20
              possesses Ms. Wantout.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
              </SPAN>This time the urge hit her when she was in a =
semi-comatose=20
              state induced by listening to one of Douglas Wilson=92s =
taped=20
              sermons.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>In =
her=20
              impaired state she mistook the Cult Master=92s balls for=20
              play-dough.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>She then=20
              tried to fashion them into shapes of small animals and =
religious=20
              icons.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>Unfortunately,=20
              this did not work.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Giving =
her effort=20
              up as a lost cause, Eileen returned the Cult Master=92s =
mangled=20
              balls to their zip-lock bag and absentmindedly put them in =
her=20
              purse.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Like =
Thales of=20
              yore, Eileen sometimes wanders about with her wits focused =
on=20
              things other than where she is going or what she is =
doing.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Consequently, =
her purse=20
              was snatched.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">When =
the snatcher=20
              opened the purse to extract its treasures, the first thing =
he=20
              discovered was the Cult Master=92s tiny, mangled =
balls.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>This so =
thoroughly=20
              discommoded the snatcher that he threw the zip-lock bag =
with the=20
              tiny scarlet, rotten beet look-alikes into the first =
automobile=20
              with an open window he found.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Miraculously, the=20
              receiving vessel belonged to Norma Stonewell, =
internationally=20
              famous painter.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;=20
              </SPAN>Stonewell had recently and graciously volunteered =
to do an=20
              11 x 8 foot inspirational painting for the University of =
Idaho=92s=20
              Women=92s Center.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>She=20
              was artistically blocked, however, because she was unable =
to find=20
              a pigment of just the right color for strategic parts of =
her=20
              brilliant artistic conception.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Talk =
about divine=20
              serendipity! <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The Cult=20
              Master=92s balls were exactly the natural color Stonewell =
was=20
              looking for!</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The =
rest is=20
              history.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>Stonewell=20
              immediately took the Cult Master=92s testicles to her =
studio. <SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Norma then =
crushed and=20
              ground Douglas Wilson=92s balls with her massive mortar =
and pestle,=20
              adding secret ingredients and thus making pigment from =
them.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>She then painted =

              feverishly for several weeks to produce her now famous =
masterpiece=20
              of classical religious allegory.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As most =
of you know=20
              the painting depicts a young woman standing triumphantly =
over the=20
              body of a dead pastor who had just ordered her death by =
stoning in=20
              a great, blithering rage. <SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The young woman =
had dared=20
              to declare that women have the same rights as men!<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>The pastor =
depicted in the=20
              painting is an utterly unmistakable image of the =
gluttonous=20
              Douglas Wilson.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Exhibiting a=20
              brilliant stroke of divinely inspired, stunning symbolism =
and=20
              subtext, the painting clearly shows that the pastor choked =
to=20
              death after swallowing a gargantuan gob of eagle feces. =
<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>There is no other =

              reasonable interpretation than this massive, =
multi-colored,=20
              amorphous mass fell from the sky just as the pastor was =
looking=20
              upward exhorting God to visit holy, heinous, basaltic =
vengeance on=20
              the young woman.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Stonewell=92s vivid,=20
              meticulous portraiture of the nearby, still circling eagle =
and the=20
              scrupulously detailed partially saliva-covered flecks and =
jagged=20
              clumps of eagle feces spewed in and around the mouth and =
beard of=20
              the dead pastor (whose lips and interior mouth were =
colored in=20
              part using the pigment described above) are considered to =
be the=20
              finest examples of micro-detailing in the history of=20
              painting.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>In fact, as=20
              most know, Stonewell unanimously won the Nobel Prize for =
this=20
              magnificent work of art as well as unanimously winning =
many other=20
              prestigious awards.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
              </SPAN>Many claim that in voting for all these awards, the =
juries=20
              were directly guided by the hand of God.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Norma =
Stonewell=92s=20
              painting, entitled =93<B style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal">God=20
              Drops a Hint</B>=94, adorns a wall of the UI Women=92s =
Center.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Despite having =
lost his=20
              balls, this exhibition must make Cult Master Douglas =
Wilson feel=20
              especially warm and prickly all over:<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>His former =
testicles are=20
              now helping to inspire women of all ages, races, and =
sexual=20
              orientations toward achieving full equality and full=20
              self-realization.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">In a =
previous=20
              posting the following was mentioned when Wilson=92s =
son-in-law, Ben=20
              Merkle, also lost his balls also to Rose Huskey=92s =
castrating=20
              wit.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>(Now, =
Ben=92s=20
              balls are enshrined in the giant jar of pickled eggs at =
the Corner=20
              Club.) <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>According to=20
              the Know-Alls at <A =
href=3D"http://www.christkirk.com/">Christian=20
              Bestiality</A>, testicles from an Athabaskan pygmy goat =
could=20
              normally be transplanted onto the Cult Master.<SPAN=20
              style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>This was =
diligently and=20
              strenuously tried, but unfortunately, the operation was a=20
              failure.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>The goat=20
              testicles rejected the patient.</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt">Sincerely,</P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
              style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;<BR>Wayne</o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
              size=3D5><FONT size=3D4><FONT size=3D3>Art Deco&nbsp; =
(Wayne=20
              Fox)<BR></FONT><A href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT=20
              =
size=3D3>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A></FONT></FONT></o:p></P>
              <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in =
0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
              size=3D5><FONT =
size=3D4><BR>&nbsp;</P></FONT></FONT></o:p></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>From: "Saundra Lund" &lt;</FONT><A=20
              href=3D"mailto:sslund@adelphia.net"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>sslund@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT=20
size=3D4>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>To: "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'" =
&lt;</FONT><A=20
              href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D4>&gt;; =
"'Vision=20
              2020'" &lt;</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT=20
              size=3D4>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:07 =
AM</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Cult Master: =
Women=20
              should not be able to choose to defend their=20
              country</FONT></DIV></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4><BR></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4>| Hi Mr. Fox,<BR>| <BR>| I'm not at =
all=20
              surprised by Wilson's Absent Without Leave blog =
entry.&nbsp;=20
              For<BR>| the benefit of new V2020 members and for those =
who may=20
              have missed it the<BR>| first time around, I'm going to =
repost=20
              part of my "Why Moscow?" post from a<BR>| couple of months =

              ago.<BR>| <BR>| Wilson has written:<BR>| "If those who =
hate the=20
              Word of God can succeed in getting Christians to be<BR>|=20
              embarrassed by any portion of the Word of God, then that =
portion=20
              will<BR>| continually be employed as a battering ram =
against the=20
              godly principles that<BR>| are currently under =
attack.&nbsp; In=20
              our day, three of the principal issues are<BR>| abortion,=20
              feminism, and sodomy."<BR>| </FONT><A=20
              =
href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol4/them4-6.htm"><FONT=20
              =
size=3D4>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol4/them4-6.htm</FONT></A><B=
R><FONT=20
              size=3D4>| <BR>| Clearly, then, we understand Wilson and =
his=20
              church's position on "abortion,<BR>| feminism, and =
sodomy."&nbsp;=20
              &lt;sigh&gt;<BR>| <BR>| However, how many of us knew that =
Wilson's=20
              opposition to equal rights for<BR>| women is rabid enough =
that=20
              should women be allowed in combat to defend our<BR>| =
country, he=20
              would advocate the following?<BR>| <BR>| "The American =
military is=20
              currently acting the part of a weak sister.&nbsp; The<BR>| =

              pressure is on to bring women into combat roles. . . =
Indications=20
              of our<BR>| cultural dissolution are legion these days, =
but this=20
              one ranks in the top<BR>| five . . . A nation defended by =
her=20
              women is a nation no longer worth<BR>| defending.&nbsp; =
When women=20
              are placed in the front line of defense, every<BR>| =
Christian man=20
              should walk away from the cause of that nation as =
being<BR>|=20
              beneath contempt.&nbsp; Taking this a step further, a =
nation as=20
              far gone as to<BR>| think that women in combat is a viable =
way to=20
              go is a nation which is no<BR>| longer defensible in=20
              principle-even if there remains a misguided desire to<BR>| =
defend=20
              it.&nbsp; Men who understand their duties in this regard . =
. .=20
              should<BR>| recognize that the result of all our =
evangelical=20
              dithering about is that the<BR>| nation which we call the =
United=20
              States has already been lost."<BR>| </FONT><A=20
              =
href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/issues/10-3husbandry.php"><FONT=20
              =
size=3D4>http://www.credenda.org/issues/10-3husbandry.php</FONT></A><BR><=
FONT=20
              size=3D4>| <BR>| Wow!<BR>| <BR>| Since the US is already =
"lost,"=20
              what, then, is a man to do?&nbsp; Well, never<BR>| fear =
because=20
              Wilson has your answer, and it offers further insight into =

              his<BR>| empire building here in Moscow:<BR>| <BR>| =
"Families=20
              should begin congregating in communities where these =
duties=20
              are<BR>| understood, and the men of those communities have =
every=20
              intention of<BR>| fulfilling those duties.&nbsp; Christian =
men who=20
              are in the military should get<BR>| out at the first =
lawful=20
              opportunity and move to a community where they may<BR>| =
defend=20
              their families instead of their current unwilling defense =
of=20
              the<BR>| feminist agenda . . . The prohibition to women in =

              Deuteronomy 22:5 is one<BR>| which blindsides us.&nbsp; We =
knew=20
              abortion and homosexuality were abominations."<BR>| <BR>|=20
              Double-wow!!&nbsp; So, is it Wilson's perception that =
*our* Moscow=20
              community<BR>| *doesn't* support women's rights (among =
other=20
              things)???&nbsp; I guess he thinks<BR>| it doesn't really =
matter=20
              what our community values since his empire is<BR>| =
recruiting=20
              people to move to our community who share his desires for =
a<BR>|=20
              theocracy -- I guess he figures (incorrectly, I hope) that =
has to=20
              start<BR>| someplace, so he's targeted our community as =
the first=20
              step&nbsp; :-(&nbsp; That seems<BR>| clear to me in spite =
of=20
              Wilson's public protestations otherwise.<BR>| <BR>| I hope =
and=20
              pray this community will continue to wake up and smell=20
              Wilson's<BR>| coffee . . . and understand *why* it's =
necessary to=20
              speak out against such<BR>| wickedness.&nbsp; He has a =
very=20
              clearly stated agenda that I believe is abhorrent<BR>| to =
our=20
              community and flatly antithetical to what makes our =
community=20
              Moscow.<BR>| <BR>| But, please, Please, PLEASE *don't* =
take my=20
              word for it!&nbsp; Go straight to the<BR>| horse's mouth =
and read=20
              Wilson's own published words.&nbsp; Compare and =
contrast<BR>| what=20
              he says when he's talking to others who share his beliefs =
with=20
              what he<BR>| says when he's addressing those who don't =
share his=20
              particular flavor of<BR>| Christianity.&nbsp; As a =
community, I=20
              hope we will continue to use our collective<BR>| critical =
thinking=20
              skills to keep the wool from being pulled over our =
eyes.<BR>|=20
              <BR>| So, please remind me again:&nbsp; who is it that's =
supposed=20
              to be intolerant???<BR>| <BR>| <BR>| Saundra Lund<BR>| =
Proud=20
              Intoleristas<BR>| Moscow, ID<BR>| <BR>| -----Original=20
              Message-----<BR>| From: </FONT><A=20
              href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>vision2020-admin@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT =
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              [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On<BR>| Behalf Of Art =
Deco=20
              aka W. Fox<BR>| Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:10 PM<BR>| =
To:=20
              Vision 2020<BR>| Subject: [Vision2020] Cult Master: Women =
should=20
              not be able to choose to<BR>| defend their country<BR>| =
<BR>|=20
              <BR>| Normal Folks,<BR>| <BR>| The following is a dido =
(perhaps,=20
              some might uncivilly say "dildo"[you can<BR>| infer his =
target])=20
              from Christ Church Cult Master Douglas Wilson's<BR>| =
self-sucking=20
              weblog (webblot?) </FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.dougwils.com"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>www.dougwils.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D4>. <BR>| =
<BR>| Not=20
              only should women be disallowed from being on the board of =
his=20
              two-bit<BR>| cult school, Bogus School, (despite the fact =
at the=20
              time of his initial<BR>| suggestion, both the President =
and Prime=20
              Minister of Finland were women),<BR>| but apparently women =
should=20
              not be given the freedom to choose how they wish<BR>| to =
serve=20
              their country!<BR>| <BR>| It also appears that it is more=20
              important to the Cult Master that he win his<BR>| private=20
              "cultural conflict" (anti-egalitarism) than it is for the =
U.S.=20
              to<BR>| bring the conflict in Iraq to a satisfactory =
conclusion=20
              (assuming one is<BR>| possible).<BR>| <BR>| Can you say=20
              "pathological egomaniacal megalomania" or the less =
polite<BR>|=20
              equivalent?<BR>| <BR>| Wayne<BR>| <BR>| Art Deco&nbsp; =
(Wayne=20
              Fox)<BR>| </FONT><A href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT=20
              size=3D4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3D4>| =
<BR>|=20
              __________________________________________________<BR>| =
<FONT=20
              face=3DGaramond size=3D3>Absent Without Leave<BR>| Topic: =
Current=20
              Events<BR>| <BR>| As the war in Iraq grinds on, multiple =
lessons=20
              can be gleaned from it. And<BR>| not all the lessons have =
anything=20
              to do with the tactical details of this<BR>| particular =
war.<BR>|=20
              <BR>| One of the most strking things about this conflict =
is that=20
              when I see<BR>| talking heads on the teevee talking about =
it,=20
              whether they support or oppose<BR>| the war, whether they =
are=20
              conservative or liberal, they always manage to get<BR>| in =

              something about how they of course support "our brave men =
and=20
              women" in<BR>| uniform. And there, with those two words -- =
"and=20
              women" -- we have a<BR>| showcase example of how our =
domestic=20
              kennel-fed conservative leaders do not<BR>| have any =
earthly idea=20
              of what kind of cultural conflict we are in.<BR>| =
Apparently=20
              victory in Iraq is important enough that we should =
purchase=20
              it<BR>| through fundamental defeats here at home.<BR>| =
<BR>| When=20
              young girls are killed or maimed in combat, where are the=20
              leading<BR>| conservative spokesmen who take the =
opportunity to=20
              raise the point and press<BR>| it? Why does no one point =
out that=20
              the abomination is, you know, abominable?<BR>| Of course, =
they=20
              don't do it then out of consideration for the =
grieving<BR>|=20
              families. And they don't do it later because there is no =
reason to=20
              when the<BR>| heat is off. For all the saber-rattling=20
              conservatives can do when it comes<BR>| to fighting =
backward=20
              nations with high-tech weaponry, when it comes to an<BR>| =
issue=20
              that might require actual courage from them, they are to =
use=20
              a<BR>| military term, AWOL.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT size=3D4><FONT face=3DGaramond size=3D3><BR>| =
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              face=3DArial size=3D1>Posted by Douglas Wilson - 4/30/2004 =
9:22:06=20
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