[Vision2020] Who's afraid of Elizabeth Fox-Genovese?

Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:02:01 -0800

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Christ Church and New St. Andrews College bringing in a nationally-known 
speaker like Elizabeth Fox-Genovese proves only one thing to me:  they 
were willing to pay her fee.
What the church hopes to get for their money is credibility, I would assume.
BL

Joan Opyr wrote:

> I'm sorry to take issue with you, Ed Sebesta, as you have frequently 
> provided a valuable service, re: information about the neo-Confederate 
> movement.  I would remind you, however, that that is your particular 
> bailiwick (some might say obsession).  Vision 2020 is a community 
> forum and as such it addresses more than one community concern.  Some 
> of us on this list actually live here.  In Moscow, Idaho.  We deal 
> with Doug Wilson day in and day out; many have been dealing with him 
> for decades.  The fact that he has acquired a small national following 
> mystifies most of us, but it shouldn't.  As P. T. Barnum said more 
> than a century ago, there's a sucker born every minute.
>
>
> Doug's effect on this community has often been baleful and malign, but 
> we can handle him.  So thanks but no thanks, Ed, for your Texas-based 
> assist.  Remember that garbage barge from New York that floated up and 
> down the East coast some years back, looking for a place to land?  
> Well, we don't worry about that here.  We're confident that we can 
> take out our own trash. 
>
>  
>
> (Tom Hansen, in particular, deserves a hearty round of applause.  He 
> was one of the first to put on his rubber gloves and begin 
> shoveling.  Tom's "Not On The Palouse" web-site is a clearinghouse of 
> invaluable information, and I am not alone in being grateful to him 
> for being willing to create and maintain it, all on his own time and 
> at his own expense.  The fact that Tom also has an excellent wry sense 
> of humor is a complete bonus.)
>
>  
>
> I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.  Once again, very clearly, 
> I say that Elizabeth Fox-Genovese is not important.  Neither is Mona 
> Charon, Myrna Blyth, Laura Ingraham, Phyllis Schlafly, or any of the 
> other anti-feminist Stepford Sirens of the modern GOP's 
> kirke-kinder-kuchen movement.  I don't deny that the effects of their 
> "work," like Doug's, have wide and unpleasant ramifications, but they 
> themselves are not serious scholars, and they are not serious 
> thinkers.  We cheapen our political discourse when we allow chattering 
> parrots who shriek out nonsense in thirty-second sound-bites to pass 
> themselves off as thoughtful cultural critics.  The fact that 
> Fox-Genovese is a big muckety-muck among the kinds of jackasses who 
> paint Confederate flags on the hoods of their trucks does not make her 
> important, and I will not accord her the same respected status that I 
> would Hannah Arendt, Emma Goldman, or Soren Kiekegaard.  I think she's 
> wicked.  I think she's bad.  But I laugh at her poor-thinking, her 
> self-promotion, and her miserable pretensions.  This, in my opinion, 
> isn't the only possible response, but it is a perfectly acceptable one.
>
>  
>
> FYI, I read a bit of Elizabeth Fox when I was studying feminist theory 
> back in graduate school, sometime in the late Jurassic.  Her work at 
> the time was moderately interesting.  Long ago, however, she chose the 
> path of right-wing crumpet and reactionary gadfly over that of 
> respectable academic inquiry.  Why?  Who knows?  Perhaps because it 
> pays better and you get a lot more press.  The story of how she 
> transmogrified from Ms. Fox into Mrs. Fox-Genovese is probably 
> interesting, but only if you’re Elizabeth Fox or Eugene Genovese. 
>
>  
>
> As for the rest of us, why don't we just extrapolate from the lyrics 
> of this great Madeleine Peyroux song?
>
>  
>
> Was I?
>
>  
>
> Sweet young thing of sixteen
>
> Thought I'd step out one night
>
> I longed to get the thrill in life I missed
>
> I met a youth, a bit uncouth,
>
> Although he seemed alright,
>
> I knew him by the moment when we kissed.
>
> When I got home next day with a swollen head,
>
> My girlfriend asked if I had fun I said,
>
>  
>
> Was I drunk?
>
> Was he handsome?
>
> And did Mama give me hell?
>
> Did I get a thrill and am I full aquiver?
>
> Was he rough?  Did I care?
>
> Am I glad I fell?
> Every time I think of him, do I shiver?
>
>  
>
> Was he high?  And was I?
>
> And would he stand for me?
>
> He would not.  Did I lie?
>
> Does he still think I'm a baby?
>
> If I was, am I still?
>
> Do I care?  Don't be sill!
>
> Was I drunk?  Was he handsome?
>
> And did Mama give me Hell?
>
>  
>
> Was I drunk? Was he handsome?
> Did Mama give me Hell?
> With his hands loose there's no refusing.
> Did he fight? Was I blue?
> Almost shamed to tell,
> And I don't know yet the system he was using.
> Well, I said, "Stop, please behave."
> Well, what's the use of raving?
> He said, "Give," so I gave.
> After all what was I saving?
> Am I glad? Holy Gee,
> If I had fun, you're asking me.
> Was I drunk? Was he handsome?
> And did Mama give me Hell?
>
>  
>
> (Music and lyrics by Charlie Farrell and Chick Endor.  Used here 
> without copyright permission as I think they’re long deceased.)
>
>  
>
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment  
>
>
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Christ Church and New St. Andrews College bringing in a
nationally-known speaker like Elizabeth Fox-Genovese proves only one
thing to me:  they were willing to pay her fee. 
What the church hopes to get for their money is credibility, I would
assume. 
BL 
 
Joan Opyr wrote: 
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 I'm sorry to take issue with you, Ed
Sebesta, as you have frequently provided a valuable service, re:
information about the neo-Confederate movement.  I would remind you,
however, that that is your particular bailiwick (some might
say obsession).  Vision 2020 is a community forum and as such it
addresses more than one community concern.  Some of us on this list
actually live here.  In <st1:place><st1:City>Moscow</st1:City>,
 <st1:State>Idaho</st1:State></st1:place>.  We
deal with Doug Wilson day in and day out; many have been dealing with
him for decades.  The fact that he has acquired a
small national following mystifies most of us, but it shouldn't.  As P. T. Barnum said more than a century ago,
there's a sucker born every minute.
 
 Doug's effect on this community
has often been baleful and malign, but we can handle him. 
 So thanks but no thanks, Ed, for your Texas-based assist.  Remember that garbage barge from New York that
floated up and down the East coast some years back, looking for a place
to land?  Well, we don't worry about that here.  We're confident that we can take out our own
trash.  
  
 (Tom Hansen, in particular, deserves a
hearty round of applause.  He was one of the first to put on his rubber
gloves and begin shoveling.  Tom's "Not On The Palouse" web-site is a
clearinghouse of invaluable information, and I am not alone in being
grateful to him for being willing to create and maintain it, all on his
own time and at his own expense.  The fact that Tom also has an
excellent wry sense of humor is a complete bonus.)
 <o:p> </o:p>
 I mean what I say, and I say what I
mean.  Once again, very clearly, I say that Elizabeth Fox-Genovese is not
important.  Neither is Mona Charon, Myrna Blyth,
Laura Ingraham, Phyllis Schlafly, or any of the other anti-feminist
Stepford Sirens of the modern GOP's kirke-kinder-kuchen movement.  I don't deny that the effects of their "work," like
Doug's, have wide and unpleasant ramifications, but they themselves are
not serious scholars, and they are not serious thinkers. 
 We cheapen our political discourse when we allow chattering
parrots who shriek out nonsense in thirty-second sound-bites to pass
themselves off as thoughtful cultural critics.  The
fact that Fox-Genovese is a big muckety-muck among the kinds of
jackasses who paint Confederate flags on the hoods of their trucks does
not make her important, and I will not accord her the same
respected status that I would Hannah Arendt, Emma Goldman, or Soren
Kiekegaard.  I think she's wicked.  I think she's bad.  But I laugh at
her poor-thinking, her self-promotion, and her miserable pretensions. 
This, in my opinion, isn't the only possible response, but it is a
perfectly acceptable one.
 <o:p> </o:p>
 FYI, I read a bit of Elizabeth Fox when I was
studying feminist theory back in graduate school, sometime in the late
Jurassic.  Her work at the time was moderately
interesting.  Long ago, however, she chose the
path of right-wing crumpet and reactionary gadfly over that of
respectable academic inquiry.  Why? 
 Who knows?  Perhaps because it pays
better and you get a lot more press.  The story
of how she transmogrified from Ms. Fox into Mrs. Fox-Genovese is
probably interesting, but only if you’re Elizabeth Fox or Eugene
Genovese.  
 <o:p> </o:p>
 As for the rest of us, why don't we
just extrapolate from the lyrics of this great Madeleine Peyroux song? 
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Was I?
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Sweet young thing of sixteen
 Thought I'd step out one night
 I longed to get the thrill in life I
missed
 I met a youth, a bit uncouth,
 Although he seemed alright,
 I knew him by the moment when we
kissed.
 When I got home next day with a
swollen head,
 My girlfriend asked if I had fun I
said,
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Was I drunk?
 Was he handsome?
 And did Mama give me hell?
 Did I get a thrill and am I full
aquiver?
 Was he rough?  Did
I care?
 Am I glad I fell? 
Every time I think of him, do I shiver?
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Was he high?  And
was I?
 And would he stand for me?
 He would not.  Did
I lie?
 Does he still think I'm a baby?
 If I was, am I still?
 Do I care?  Don't
be sill!
 Was I drunk?  Was
he handsome?
 And did Mama give me Hell?
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Was I drunk? Was he handsome? 
Did Mama give me Hell? 
With his hands loose there's no refusing. 
Did he fight? Was I blue? 
Almost shamed to tell, 
And I don't know yet the system he was using. 
Well, I said, "Stop, please behave." 
Well, what's the use of raving? 
He said, "Give," so I gave. 
After all what was I saving? 
Am I glad? Holy Gee, 
If I had fun, you're asking me. 
Was I drunk? Was he handsome? 
And did Mama give me Hell?
 <o:p> </o:p>
 (Music and lyrics by Charlie Farrell
and Chick Endor.  Used here without copyright
permission as I think they’re long deceased.)
 <o:p> </o:p>
 Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment  
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