[Spam] [Vision2020] Breaking News: Bush sending us to war (again) in Haiti

[Tom Hansen]

Matt -

You and I may not agree on alot of things.  But on this topic we most
certainly do.

In memory.

Pro patria,

Tom Hansen
SFC, US Army (Retired)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> Behalf Of matt@moscowland.com
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:36 PM
> To: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Breaking News: Bush sending us to war
> (again) in Haiti
>
>
> now ther yuo goe agane putin wordses in mi moufh. I nevr sade
> Sodom had WDM in them boots. Only thet I seed 'em.
>
> Just so you know, The U.N. works that way, when we say it works
> that way. And yes Carter had that power. As do all who hold the
> office of President.
> I am glad you look to the future, we need people who do. But let
> us not forget the past, lest we repeat it.  As for peace
> keepers/peacekeepers, I am surprised you forgot to mention the missle.
>
> As for individual choice, yes of course we all, you, me, my son
> are all free to make that choice and by indicating that I would
> send him, I am expressing my conviction not to prevent him from
> serving his country. Not to live in the past or anything, but
> remeber that Rome fell when Romans no longer populated the
> Officer corp or the ranks.
>
> You say that you can not possibly know what is goining on inside
> the Presidents. I thank you for your honesty. You proved my point
> well. Based on your admission you should not call him a lier.
>
> By your kind I mean so very much. I think I could sum it up by
> saying so very little.
> I would expect you to attempt to legislate morality, dictate the
> thoughts of others, surrender your will to those who say what you
> want to hear, only express the popular view(even when its out of
> style) and to above all, not learn from the past.
>
> Actually I must admit that I very much enjoyed your response. I
> have not been this excited since Bush invaded Hati, oh wait that
> was really just a humanitarian mission to help the innocents, or
> havent you seen the pics from the island. Would you have
> complained if we had done nothing?
>
> I have said and will say again I respect your right to be wrong.
> I need to say something seriously though.
>
> You indicated that all who die in wars die for nothing. This
> truely offends me. Maybe you should ask the families of the men
> who died on Normandy, Gaudel canal, Bastone, manchuria, The
> Phillipines, North Africa, Inchone, Iwo Jima, Bunker Hill,
> Gettiesburg, Kuwaite, Boonesboro, Midway, The Magino line,
> Waitsburg, Pearl Harbor, The Alamo and all the other countless
> battles where men gave their lives for the good of other men.
> Instead of asking thier families, maybe you should ask the
> families of those they saved, the MILLIONS that live under thier
> own will because of the sacrifces of those brave men.
>
> I am sure you have seen the bumper sticker "If you can read this
> thank a teacher." its missing the second part.
> "If you can read this in english, thank a Vet."
>
> I agree that an avoidable war is an atrocity, but please do not
> dishoner the memories of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice
> and won and preserved YOUR freedom.
>
> > In a message dated 2/29/2004 8:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > matt@moscowland.com writes:
> > Thanks for replying line by line. It allows for a quicker discourse.
> > The loan on my son will be due when all nations are of free men.
> > Lets play a game. I quote and you identify.
> >
> > "No man is truely free until he fights for the freedom of another man."
> >
> > Humm, well, I am familiar with The Greek dramatist Euripides
> who coined the
> > phrase "No man is truly free." in a play he wrote in the 5th
> Century BC. Others
> > have added onto it since that time, John Locke, Thomas
> Jefferson, Fredrick
> > Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, and many others:
> >
> > "No Man is truly free who is in financial bondage."
> > "No man was free, but he who exercised himself in the
> meditation of the law."
> >  "No man is truly free whose thoughts, feelings and actions are
> dependent
> > upon another man's thoughts, feelings and actions. ... "
> >
> >
> > "As much as we disagree we do have one thing in common. The
> right to. And I
> > promise that I would fight to preserve your right to be wrong,
> and if nessasary
> > send my son to do the same.
> > I would not be supprised if you didnt receive amnisty from
> President Carter."
> > I would be surprised if he pardoned. Carter doesn't have that
> authority. You
> > are still living in the past. I go to bed and dream of a better
> day in the
> > morning. You wake up and hope it was yesterday.
> > I would fight for the Freedom of all Men. But fighting doesn't
> make it a war
> > about freedom. Nor does the President saying it is about
> freedom make it about
> > freedom. Most people that die in war, die for absolutely no
> reason other than
> > people in power getting more land or money. In terms of sending
> a relative in
> > my care to war, I would let them make that choice.
> >
> >
> > Republicans have always been willing to attach our troops to UN
> operations,
> > as long as we are in charge of them.
> > That is not the way the UN works.
> >
> >
> > You claim without hesitation that the President has lied. I
> challenge you to
> > prove beyond reasonable doubt, one single lie that the
> President has told.
> > Please understand that in order to be a lie, the person telling
> it must know its
> > a lie when they say it. Those are the rules. Ready GO!
> > I am supposed to prove to you what is going on in the head of
> President? Gee,
> > what realistic terms. Now how do you suppose I prove what is
> going on in the
> > head of the President? I cannot. I can easily prove that what
> the President
> > said and fact are not consistent on many occasions. Watch the
> 2003 State of the
> > Union Address.
> >
> >
> > "( and you can't use the one about Saddam's ships off the coast
> of America
> > cause I saw them)"
> >
> > WOO HO HO! You saw the Iraqi Navy carrying WMDs off the coast
> the United
> > States and didn't say anything to the US Navy? Man, you should
> call up Bush now
> > and let him know. He has been in some hot water lately for not
> being able to
> > find them WMDs. And here you are, all knowing, having seen them
> all the way out
> > there, from Idaho too. What powerful binoculars you got handy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes I do have the word Peace in my vocabulary dork. I was using "piece
> > keeping" as a pun (thats a play on words) (please refer to the
> quotations) the
> > Balkans and Somalia were and still are today "splintered
> factions", give it some
> > time, you'll get it........probebly.
> > Oh, sorry, I thought you just misspelled it, kind of like you
> did at first
> > with Balkans, you spelled "Balkins", and "Probebly", is spelled
> "Probably", and
> > Truly you spelled "Truely", and "realitivly" is wrong, oh yeah
> and "ment" is
> > spelled meant. So I just though maybe you didn't know how to
> use the English
> > language. Lord knows I cannot spell. But I do use the spell checker and
> > proofread at least once.
> > Now did you mean "Peace Keepers" or "peacekeepers"? They are
> two different
> > things. One is the use of soldiers that fight, and one is the use of
> > administrators that perform preventive war administrative
> functions. I hope you weren't
> > making a pun at the fun of our soldiers.
> >
> >
> > You are right, .... sorry I ment not completly wrong, I can not
> defend the
> > President by sighting previous Presidents short comings. I did
> not mean to imply
> > that you defended President Clinton, just that I am realitivly
> sure you sat
> > back and said nothing.
> > Nope, I said many things. I said things like, "Why are spending
> millions on
> > investigating the sex life of the President?"
> >
> >
> > I am sure that what ever medals President Bush was awarded
> during his service
> > he has kept. I am unaware of any decorations he recieved. Most
> "men" would
> > not feel a need to list them. As for the flight suit. I am sure
> he got a new
> > one. After all he is the President now.
> > I don't see why be needed a new one, his first one never even
> got dirty. Or
> > maybe it did get a keg or two spilled on it.
> >
> >
> > P.S. I really don't know when or even if you ever cryed wolf. I
> just ment
> > "your kind".
> >
> > What precisely is my "kind"? Do you mean educated, white, Christian,
> > thinking, males, that care about their country and fellow
> humans? I understood that to
> > be my kind. But maybe you can clarify.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> > PS Cried is spelled "cried", not "cryed". Please use your Spell
> Check option.
> >
>
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