[Vision2020] Evidence of Bush Family Values

[LuJane Nisse publisher]

I think everyone's bias affects their feelings... even if they don't
recognize it. I fight it as well, as I'm sure, you do.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I just happen to think yours is off base
on children.
LJ



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Lujane et. al.

Right, of course, I am a slave to my bias, and if I loved W. Bush, I would
excuse all manner of ethical failure in the behavior of his children.

Well, no, not really.

And of course I know, as anyone with half a brain (I only have half left
after lowering myself to the level of critical thinking and independence of
thought demonstrated sometimes on V2020), that genetics and culture can
sometimes foil the good intentions of any parent.

Still, parents have a tremendous impact on their children, and it is not
accurate to state that bad kids are NOT often the fault of their parents.
Furthermore, no two children in a family are raised the "same."  Numerous
studies of family dynamics and politics have revealed tremendous differences
in how different children in families are treated, even by parents who take
extreme measures to be fair and even with different children.

My commentary on Shrub and Clinton was meant as critical analysis comparing
attacks on the Clinton's, their lack of "family values," by the right wing
Christian robot ditto heads, and how the reality of this might be reflected
in Chelsea, and then doing the same with W. Bush and attacks, or the lack
thereof, on his approach to "family values," that might also be reflected in
his children.

It might be concluded that Shrub gets a pass on how his "family values" are
reflected given his children's behavior, whereas the Clinton's appeared to
get little credit for their positive "family values" that are reflected in
Chelsea.

Do you understand what I am saying?  If this analysis is wrong, tell me why!

And quit the nonsense about my bias overcoming my objectivity, OK?  Let's
discuss ideas and issues with a presumption we are capable of thinking
"outside our boxes," and not reduce arguments into the form of "This is just
your bias talking which you cannot see beyond."

If we cannot see outside our biases why bother to discuss?

Ted Moffett



In a message dated 7/23/2004 4:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "LuJane Nisse
publisher" <lujane at lataheagle.com> writes:

>and... believe it or not... some kids form their own attitudes, beliefs and
>values despite what we, as parents, attempt to instill in them. I have one
>daughter that would be a Chelsea and another that would be this Bush
>daughter. Both raised the same. Two different attitudes and outlooks on
life
>and deep-seated beliefs. (one atheist, one christian... etc)
>go figure - kids grow up to be their own person. You can only hope you got
>some good things in there they can fall back on.
>
>Perhaps if you liked the current president you would have a different
>opinion of this obviously rebellious child such as, "She is assertive."
"She
>is ... " whatever.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Tbertruss at aol.com [mailto:Tbertruss at aol.com]
>  Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:52 PM
>  To: lujane at lataheagle.com; thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Evidence of Bush Family Values
>
>
>
>  All:
>
>  Consider the Clinton's daughter Chelsea, and how she appears to be an
>intelligent, successful law abiding women, despite what the tabloids say.
>Then consider the coordinated attack against the character and family
values
>of her parents, as though they sit at the right and left hand of Satan.
>
>  Now consider the behavior of current President Shrub's children.  Which
>progeny from which parents (Clinton or Shrub) reflect the best parenting?
>One might conclude with a gasp that the Clinton's are better parents than
>Shrub.
>
>  Now we must consider what "best parenting" means.  If raising your
>children to reflect the cowboy rude crude "I'll kick your ass if you mess
>with me" and to hell with the rest of the world (remind you of someone?)
>mentality, then it is clear Shrub's daughters do reflect sound family
>values.  Chelsea, by comparison, is a wimp.  I mean from a rough and tough
>anti-intellectual Texan's point of view.  Shrub's daughters are "Texans,"
>and it shows.
>
>  Ride'm cowboy into the heart of the Middle East bringing good'ol boy
sound
>family values to those hapless Iraqis, and to hell with what the rest of
the
>world thinks.
>
>  Ted Moffett
>
>

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