[Vision2020] A Liberal World

[thansen@moscow.com]

I understand that both the medical and legal professions have agreed that rape 
is a violent act of "control", not sex.  The only type of rape that I would 
consider to be a sexual crime is date (or acquaintance) rape.

Tom

> This is getting kind of strange.
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> It sounds like a few of you think rape is not a sexual act. This is a
> different topic than a liberal world. How can rape not be sexual?
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> I know and agree that it is a violent act. I'm not disputing you here.
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> I'm wondering how you can think that it is not also a sexual act?
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> Ted wrote: ".I think it rather incredible someone could come to sanction
> this act based on any logical principle involved in the belief that there is
> nothing morally wrong with the simple sight of our bodies."
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> Perhaps you have forgotten the fact that 100 years ago folks would think it
> incredible that women would want to wash their cars with their tops off or
> that others would think a law against public nudity was foolish.
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> Also, on the same subject I remember when I was a boy that the goal of a
> date with a young woman was to see if she would let you kiss her. We called
> it "getting to first base." Now, it is not uncommon to assume that a steak
> dinner warrants "sleeping with the girl."
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> I can't believe that you don't see that the social and sexual morals of our
> country are not changing. The liberals seem to see this change as progress.
> I see it as degradation and moral decline.
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> Maybe someone who agrees that this is progress can share how they come to
> this conclusion.
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> Thanks for listening.
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> Mike Lawyer
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> From: Aldoussoma@aol.com [mailto:Aldoussoma@aol.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:28 PM
> To: mike_l@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Liberal World
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> Mike et. al. 
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> Your suggestion that there is a moral envelope being pushed that one day
> might sanction nudity and the next day will, by some process of moral
> degeneration, sanction rape, reveals perhaps more than you might intend
> about the underlying emotions and psychology involved in your thinking.   
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> The sight of the human body is not an act of violence committed against
> anyone, unless we employ a view of what our bodies mean to each other that
> is rather dark and disturbing.   
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> Rape is an act of violence committed against another human, and I think it
> rather incredible someone could come to sanction this act based on any
> logical principle involved in the belief that there is nothing morally wrong
> with the simple sight of our bodies. 
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> Do you think nudity to be some sort of act of violence on a continuum of
> violent acts that lists further down the line rape as a worse act of
> violence? 
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> Ted
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