[Vision2020] A Liberal World

Art Deco deco@moscow.com
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:24:10 -0800


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The words "Christian" and "Liberal" are at best vague, ambiguous, and =
ill-defined.

For example, on one end of the spectrum there are those that call =
themselves "Christians" and believe that the "basic Christian ethic" =
[whatever that is] has wide applicability ( a statement in its loosest =
interpretation I could agree with) but these people do not believe in =
God, the "virgin birth", or any other supernatural phenomena.  At the =
other end of the spectrum are a large assortment of one-wayers (there is =
only one true way and it is the way "I" believe); the Christ Church Cult =
is an example of a one-wayer.  The problem with the many different =
one-wayers is that there are serious doctrinal contradictions between =
most if not all the one-wayers' dogmas'.

The same kind of usage problem exists with the word "liberal" (or =
"conservative").

For a meaningful discussion participants might benefit from more clearly =
defining their views on each relevant issue, else little meaningful =
communication will take place.

Wayne Fox

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  From: Sunil Ramalingam=20
  To: mike_l@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:35 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A Liberal World


  Mike,

  Melynda states that one can be a Christian and a liberal.  I agree =
with her on this point.  Do you believe that we are wrong, and that the =
two are mutually exclusive?

  Sunil



  >From: "Mike Lawyer"=20
  >To:=20
  >Subject: [Vision2020] A Liberal World=20
  >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:05:17 -0800=20
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  >Hello all,=20
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  >As I was reading Dr. Gier's letter regarding the progressive stance =
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  >clothing and sexuality in Denmark, it occurred to me that there seems =
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  >a particular direction the liberal folks would like society to go.=20
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  >The question that springs to mind from all this is: If there weren't =
any=20
  >Christians getting in the way of progress and the liberal folks could =
have=20
  >everything they wanted with no restrictions, what would the world =
look like?=20
  >And specifically, what would Moscow look like?=20
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  >Thanks,=20
  >=20
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  >Mike Lawyer=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2>The words "Christian" and =
"Liberal" are at=20
best vague, ambiguous, and ill-defined.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2>For example, on one end of the =
spectrum=20
there are those that call themselves "Christians" and believe that the =
"basic=20
Christian ethic" [whatever that is] has wide applicability ( a statement =
in its=20
loosest interpretation I could agree with) but these people do not =
believe in=20
God, the "virgin birth", or any other supernatural phenomena.&nbsp; At =
the other=20
end of the spectrum are a large assortment of one-wayers (there is only =
one true=20
way and it is the way "I" believe); the Christ Church Cult is an example =
of a=20
one-wayer.&nbsp; The problem with the many different one-wayers is that =
there=20
are serious doctrinal contradictions between most if not all the =
one-wayers'=20
dogmas'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2>The same kind of usage problem =
exists with=20
the word "liberal" (or "conservative").</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2>For a meaningful discussion =
participants=20
might benefit from more clearly defining their views on each relevant =
issue,=20
else little meaningful communication will take place.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D2>Wayne Fox</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsunilramalingam@hotmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmike_l@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:mike_l@moscow.com">mike_l@moscow.com</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, =
2004 10:35=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] A =
Liberal=20
  World</DIV>
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  <P>Mike,</P>
  <P>Melynda states that one can be a Christian and a liberal.&nbsp; I =
agree=20
  with her on this point.&nbsp; Do you believe that we are wrong, and =
that the=20
  two are mutually exclusive?</P>
  <P>Sunil<BR><BR></P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Mike Lawyer" <MIKE_L@MOSCOW.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Vision2020] A Liberal World=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:05:17 -0800=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Hello all,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;As I was reading Dr. Gier's letter regarding the =
progressive=20
  stance on=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;clothing and sexuality in Denmark, it occurred to me =
that there=20
  seems to be=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;a particular direction the liberal folks would like =
society to=20
  go.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;The question that springs to mind from all this is: If =
there=20
  weren't any=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Christians getting in the way of progress and the =
liberal folks=20
  could have=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;everything they wanted with no restrictions, what would =
the=20
  world look like?=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;And specifically, what would Moscow look like?=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Thanks,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Mike Lawyer=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
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