[Vision2020] Playing the victim

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Ditto.

Tom Hansen
Intolerista to the Stars
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  From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of DonaldH675@aol.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:28 AM
  To: vision2020@moscow.com
  Subject: [Vision2020] Playing the victim

  Jerry,

  =20

  Once again it is time for a little plain speech - will you guys ever =
learn?  Do not, I repeat do not, even begin to think you are in a =
position to lecture me on racism or its effects.  Unless you are a =
person of color, or from a family of color I warn you this is not a road =
you want to walk down.=20

  Apparently, you are so busy playing vicarious victim you don=E2=80=99t =
have the mother wit to discover what is right in front of your nose.  It =
is my sincere belief that until Doug pointed out in print (in my opinion =
a disgraceful red herring) that multi-racial families owned =
Zumes=E2=80=99 and Buchers=E2=80=99 the majority of the community was =
unaware of the ethnicity of the owners or their families.  A more =
accurate version of how these accusations of hate crimes or racially =
motivated boycotts (as you characterize them) came about might go =
something like this.  Picture a group of Anglophilic, middle-class, =
privileged-in-ways-they-can=E2=80=99t-even-begin-to-comprehend, white =
men hoping to be mistaken for C.S. Lewis, Chesterton or Tolkein, sitting =
around smoking their pipes, drinking their dark beer, wringing their =
plump little hands, and moaning amongst themselves about how *they* =
suffer from the racist intoleristas in Moscow.=E2=80=A6.and the rest is =
history.

  =20

  If the boycotts exist at all, and I have no reason to believe they do, =
I think it is because people choose not to tithe Christ Church, even =
indirectly.  Speaking for myself, and I want to be perfectly clear about =
this, hell will freeze over before I knowingly put a penny in Doug =
Wilson=E2=80=99s pocket =E2=80=93 and the last time I saw him, he was =
white. Where=E2=80=99s the racism there?

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  Zume Bakery and New Saint Andrews are located right across the street =
from a business that serves alcohol.  I don=E2=80=99t think that it is a =
giant leap to imagine that the hanging lights seemed inviting to those =
suffering from impaired judgment. Crude, loathsome, and unhygienic as =
public spitting may be, one can hardly describe a glob of sputum on New =
Saint Andrews=E2=80=99 doorstep as a hate crime. Good heavens, man, =
there are globs of spit all over Moscow, are those spots also evidence =
of hatred toward NSA? For all you or I know an unhappy NSA student who =
didn=E2=80=99t pass his class in standup comedy expressed himself in =
this nasty way.  If you want to investigate crimes, I suggest you put on =
your deerstalker and find out who stole the safe from Zume Bakery.  Or, =
resurrect the case of the now defunct Morton Street Casino and bar.  Be =
a good little soldier and reported it to the police, if you genuinely =
want to make Moscow a more saintly community.  Oops, I forgot, it was =
young Saints who were running the place wasn=E2=80=99t it?  Thousands of =
dollars changed hands and lots of alcohol went down under-aged throats =
in that den of sin. Surely, even in your mind, unlicensed gambling is =
significantly more serious than sidewalk spitting. =20

  =20

  Vitriolic?  Please.  Here=E2=80=99s what I think is vitriolic.  George =
Grant, a great pal of your pastor, who has been repeatedly invited to =
speak at Agenda Credenda opinion forums, openly expresses his desire to =
overthrow the government and replace it with a theocracy.  (Actually, =
maybe that=E2=80=99s more like treason than vitriol.)  Did you know that =
George Grant obtained all his advanced degrees from an audio-tape =
correspondence school?  http://www.whitefield.edu/ Is this what passes =
as academic credentials in your crowd?  It is astonishing that you =
actually pay money to hear his opinion on anything beyond how to reverse =
a tape.  Let=E2=80=99s not overlook the honey-tongued Mr. Lost Our =
Slaves himself, Steve Wilkins.  Remember him?  I asked you several =
questions about the sin of racism in reference to that bigoted little =
booklet he co-authored with your pastor.  Questions, I might point out, =
you dodged.  But then, you learned that technique at the feet of a =
master, didn't you?

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  Have you no insight, Jerry Owens?  Don=E2=80=99t you think that I have =
asked myself over and over if I am being absolutely truthful, and fair =
in my very strong condemnation of your pastor and his ungodly cronies?  =
Am I being accurate in documenting my accusations?  And why do I bother? =
 It is my firm and unflagging conviction that right wing theocrats mean =
harm to this country in general and my family in particular.  I do not =
dismiss their efforts =E2=80=93 all I have to do is look at Congress to =
see how successful they have been in their stealth campaigns.  Apathetic =
citizens, decent, but politically uninvolved people, are their unwitting =
allies.  And, if from his secure little nest, surrounded by relatives =
and those economically dependent on him, Doug Wilson thinks for one nano =
second that I will ever retreat on this topic he is so wrong.  Until he =
repudiates his connections with League of the South extremists, =
denounces theocratic crackpots, and takes full responsibility for his =
instigating and perpetuating this community uproar, I will be on his =
case like white on rice.  And you can take that to the bank. =20

  =20

  Rose Huskey

  Only the very arrogant or the simple minded would be dumb enough to =
piss off an old lady, and you, my lad, are getting far to close to the =
edge.

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<DIV>Ditto.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>Intolerista to the =
Stars</DIV>
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 <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
 face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message----- From:=20
 vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On =
Behalf=20
 Of DonaldH675@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 =
1:28=20
 AM To: vision2020@moscow.com Subject: [Vision2020] =
Playing=20
 the victim </DIV>
 Jerry,
 <o:p><FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>&nbsp;</o:p>
 Once again it is time for a little plain speech - will you =
guys ever=20
 learn?&nbsp; Do not, I repeat =
do not,=20
 even begin to think you are in a position to lecture me on racism or =
its=20
 effects. &nbsp;Unless you are =
a person=20
 of color, or from a family of color I warn you this is not a road you =
want to=20
 walk down. 
 &nbsp;
 Apparently, you are so busy playing vicarious victim you =
don=E2=80=99t have the=20
 mother wit to discover what is right in front of your nose.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; It is my sincere belief that =
until=20
 Doug pointed out in print&nbsp;(in my opinion a disgraceful red =
herring) that=20
 multi-racial families owned Zumes=E2=80=99 and Buchers=E2=80=99 the =
majority of the community=20
 was unaware of the ethnicity of the owners or their families. <SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;A more accurate version of =
how these=20
 accusations of hate crimes or racially motivated boycotts (as you =
characterize=20
 them) came about might go something like this.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Picture a group of =
Anglophilic,=20
 middle-class, =
privileged-in-ways-they-can=E2=80=99t-even-begin-to-comprehend, white=20
 men hoping to be mistaken for C.S. Lewis, Chesterton or Tolkein, =
sitting=20
 around smoking their pipes, drinking their dark beer, wringing their =
plump=20
 little hands, and moaning amongst themselves about how *they* suffer =
from the=20
 racist intoleristas in Moscow.=E2=80=A6.and the rest is =
history.
 <o:p><FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>&nbsp;</o:p>
 If the boycotts exist at all, and I have no reason to believe =
they do,=20
 I think it is because people choose not to tithe=20
 <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Christ</st1:PlaceName>=20
 <st1:PlaceType>Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, even indirectly. =
<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;Speaking for myself, and I =
want to be=20
 perfectly clear about this, hell will freeze over before I knowingly =
put a=20
 penny in Doug Wilson=E2=80=99s pocket =E2=80=93 and the last time I =
saw him, he was white.=20
 Where=E2=80=99s the racism there?
 <FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;
 <FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman">Zume Bakery and New Saint Andrews are located =
right=20
 across the street from a business that serves alcohol.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think that =
it is a giant leap=20
 to imagine that the hanging lights seemed inviting to those suffering =
from=20
 impaired judgment. Crude, loathsome, and unhygienic as public spitting =
may be,=20
 one can hardly describe a glob of sputum on New Saint Andrews=E2=80=99 =
doorstep as a=20
 hate crime. Good heavens, man, there are globs of spit all over=20
 <st1:City><st1:place>Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>, are those spots=20
 also&nbsp;evidence of&nbsp;hatred toward NSA? For all you or I know an =
unhappy=20
 NSA student who didn=E2=80=99t pass his class in standup comedy =
expressed himself in=20
 this nasty way.&nbsp; If you =
want to=20
 investigate crimes, I suggest you put on your deerstalker and find out =
who=20
 stole the safe from Zume Bakery.&nbsp;=20
 Or, resurrect the case of the now defunct Morton Street Casino =
and bar.=20
 &nbsp;Be a good little =
soldier and=20
 reported it to the police, if you genuinely want to make=20
 <st1:City><st1:place>Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> a more saintly=20
 community.&nbsp; Oops, I =
forgot, it was=20
 young Saints who were running the place wasn=E2=80=99t it?<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Thousands of dollars changed =
hands and=20
 lots of alcohol went down under-aged throats in that den of sin. =
Surely, even=20
 in your mind,&nbsp;unlicensed gambling is significantly more serious =
than=20
 sidewalk spitting.&nbsp;=20
 
 <o:p><FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>&nbsp;</o:p>
 Vitriolic?&nbsp; =
Please.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Here=E2=80=99s what I think =
is vitriolic.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; George Grant, a great pal of =
your=20
 pastor, who has been repeatedly invited to speak at Agenda Credenda =
opinion=20
 forums, openly expresses his desire to overthrow the government and =
replace it=20
 with a theocracy.&nbsp; =
(Actually,=20
 maybe that=E2=80=99s more like treason than vitriol.)<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Did you know that George =
Grant=20
 obtained all his advanced degrees from an audio-tape correspondence=20
 school?&nbsp; <A=20
 =
href=3D"http://www.whitefield.edu/">http://www.whitefield.edu/</A>&nbsp;<=
/SPAN>Is=20
 this what passes as academic credentials in your crowd?<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; It is astonishing that you =
actually=20
 pay money to hear his opinion on anything beyond how to reverse a =
tape.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Let=E2=80=99s not overlook =
the honey-tongued=20
 Mr. Lost Our Slaves himself, Steve Wilkins.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Remember him?<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; I asked you several =
questions about=20
 the sin of racism in reference to that bigoted little booklet he =
co-authored=20
 with your pastor.&nbsp; =
Questions, I=20
 might point out, you dodged.&nbsp; But then, you learned that =
technique at the=20
 feet of a master, didn't you?
 <o:p><FONT=20
 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>&nbsp;</o:p>
 Have you no insight, Jerry Owens?&nbsp;=20
 Don=E2=80=99t you think that I have asked myself over and over =
if I am being=20
 absolutely truthful, and fair in my very strong condemnation of your =
pastor=20
 and his ungodly cronies?&nbsp; =
Am I=20
 being accurate in documenting my accusations?<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; And why do I bother?<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; It is my firm and unflagging =

  conviction that right wing theocrats mean harm to this country in =
general and=20
  my family in particular.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN>I do not=20
  dismiss their efforts =E2=80=93 all I have to do is look at Congress =
to see how=20
  successful they have been in their stealth campaigns.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Apathetic citizens, decent, =
but=20
  politically uninvolved people, are their unwitting allies.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And, if from his secure =
little nest,=20
  surrounded by relatives and those economically dependent on him, Doug =
Wilson=20
  thinks for one nano second that I will ever retreat on this topic he =
is so=20
  wrong.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Until he =
repudiates his=20
  connections with League of the South extremists, denounces theocratic=20
  crackpots, and takes full responsibility for his instigating and =
perpetuating=20
  this community uproar, I will be on his case like white on rice.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>And you can take that to the =

  bank.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
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  size=3D3>Only the very arrogant or the simple minded would be dumb =
enough to=20
  piss off an old lady, and you,</FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D3>&nbsp;my lad, are getting far to close to the =
edge.</FONT></P>
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