[Vision2020] Re: Memo to Commissioner Kimmell

[Ted Ryan]

No, I would contend that you haven't read the booklet.  You may have looked
at all of the words, but the meanings you have derived are not that of the
booklet.  Read it, really read it and see what it says, not what you want it
to say.

Ted Ryan


----- Original Message -----
From: <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "Ted Ryan" <coffeemonkey100 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <auntiestablishment at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Memo to Commissioner Kimmell


> I get it that you never read "Southern Slavery As It Was" by Steven
Wilkins and
> Douglas Wilkins?
>
> Talk about "praising the condition of slavery in the south"?????
>
> But then, WIlson can still deny that those are his words.  But, that is
another
> topic currently being discussed.
>
> Tom "and absolutely nobody else" Hansen
>
> > I am not defending anyone here except myself, if I were to need it.  I
was
> > questioning Captain Kirkers response about the war and his very
dismissive
> > attitude.  I am simply saying that because someone lost, doesn't mean we
> > can't learn something from them.  Whether or not it was a good time in
the
> > community to use an example like Lee is not for me to decide, I have
been
> > absent in the community when a lot of this has happened.  However, I was
not
> > addressing the timing of this event, simply pointing out that losers and
> > winners can teach us all.  Moreover, I would contend that Lee was not
> > defending slavery in and of itself, I think he was as eager to rid the
world
> > of it as anyone, what he was defending was the North's right to tell
them
> > how to do it and the North's jurisdiction in the matter in the first
place.
> > One of the issues was slavery, but he wasn't defending slavery itself.
To
> > say so is to misunderstand history.
> >
> > Concerning your statement, "whose leadership has praised the condition
of
> > slavery in the south".  That is simply inaccurate.  I have not heard or
read
> > of anyone praising the condition, and you would be hard-pressed to find
> > someone other than a true slave believer, who would.  All they have said
is
> > the condition COULD exist and not be a sinful, however, we must work to
rid
> > ourselves of slavery because that condition is awful.  Statements such
as
> > yours, "praising the condition" really only add to false information
that is
> > constantly brewed in this forum.  It may not even be intentional, but
after
> > so many unintentional twisting of peoples words, it no longer resembles
what
> > they have ever said.
> >
> > If you are really interested in finding out about some what CC members
said
> > at the time, go back to the archives.  You will be surprised at what you
> > read, so much of what is circulating in this forum now is fabrication,
clean
> > and simple.
> >
> > Ted Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:55:12 -0700
> > > From: Sara Anderson <ande1022 at uidaho.edu>
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Memo to Commissioner Kimmell
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Message-ID: <3b4ac53b9a37.3b9a373b4ac5 at uidaho.edu>
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> > >
> > > Ted,
> > >
> > > There are things to be learned by losing.  However, in general, what
one
> > learns by losing is how to lose.  Robert E. Lee did not lose a softball
> > game, he lost a war in which he was defending the practice of slavery.
Not
> > only that, but Kimmel is not giving this presentation in a vacuum.  He's
an
> > elder of a church whose leadership has praised the condition of slavery
in
> > the south.  Then consider the "friends" of Christ Church including Grant
and
> > Wilkins...etc.
> > >
> > > It's not illegal, but neither is Extreme Makeover.  Both are
bothersome to
> > me.  It creeps me out that Moscow leadership is espousing the harmful
ideas
> > that come from Christ Church.  If you're fine with it, well, that creeps
me
> > out too.  And, again, it's legal for you to give me the heebie jeebies,
but
> > it's downright annoying when you play naive.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Sara Anderson
> > >
> > >
> > >
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