[Vision2020] Re: oversight=authority?

[Donovan Arnold]

Ted R. writes:

"How is anyone here in any kind of position to judge what was meant from 
those church minutes?"

I agree that people should not be snooping around and collecting information 
on Church meetings. However, we are not debating methods of data collection, 
we are debating the content of the data. If a person walks into the wrong 
motel room on accident and discovers that a women is being raped, should 
that person turn around and walk away without any action or comment because 
their entrance was illegal? I think not. Is that person to reserve judgment 
about rape? I think not.

You are attempting to turn the debate about the content, to the methods of 
data collection, which there is no debate, most, if not all people agree 
that the information was collected improperly. However, that doesn't forgive 
us from other moral obligations that we all feel we have for our society and 
fellow humans.

I don't think if the minutes of Christ Church were it would end this debate 
because it is written in Public Forum on Christ Church's website, which is 
intended for public view.

“Do you swear in the name of God to support the ministry of this church in 
its worship and work, submitting to its government and discipline, while 
pursuing its purity and peace?”

In English, this means members of Christ Church must do what the Elders tell 
them. Which is what we are debating.

Donovan J Arnold





>From: "Ted Ryan" <coffeemonkey100 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: oversight=authority?
>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:26:21 -0700
>
> >From a previous post of mine (corrected spelling though, apologies for
>making your eyes endure that sin):
>
> > The narrow-mindedness expressed here is really appalling and, not very
>diverse
> > or tolerant.  Which is it, diversity and tolerance, or intolerance and
> > diversity void?  You can't have it both ways.
>
>Tom would you answer my question about tolerance and diversity.  Which is
>it?
>
>And don't forget that the reason we are even having this "debate" is
>information taken from a local church through unethical means.  How is
>anyone here in any kind of position to judge what was meant from those
>church minutes?  They aren't yours to judge!
>
>One more, how is Mr. Wilson "in alot of trouble now" based on my post?  You
>quote my post and Mr. Wilson is in trouble.  Sorry Mr. Wilson, it seems you
>are responsible for my posts as well, that just isn't fair, eh?
>
>A favorite quote of mine read to me the first time by a man of honor with
>which I once crossed paths: "like a fly in an inkwell, alive but
>discouraged".
>
>Ted Ryan
>
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