[Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Tom Hansen
thansen@moscow.com
Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:12:46 -0700
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I can see your point, Mr. Duffau, if John Kerry met with the two delegations
as an officer in the United States Navy, uniform and all. I am certain that
he introduced himself as "John Kerry" and not "Lieutenant Kerry, US Navy".
Once again, I emphasize that this conversation is meaningless. Who cares in
what capacity he introduced himself. In 1971 the war was seven years old
and people were dying at a much faster rate than currently in Iraq. Kerry's
primary (and I am satisfied "sole") purpose was to seek a peaceful end to
the conflict (as he mentioned in his sworn, public testimony before a Senate
subcommittee). Unfortunately his attempts failed and the war continued for
another four years.
I certainly do not find fault with the man.
Take care,
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Paul Duffau
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:46 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Sunil,
I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. Yes, I do not believe
that John Kerry, the private citizen or Naval Reserve Officer, should have
met with the North or South Vietnamese delegations. John Kerry, as a
private citizen, had every right to protest. I am not sure that that
applies to Kerry, Naval Reserve Officer.
Paul
At 09:22 PM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
Paul,
Is it your position that Kerry should not have met with any Vietnamese
representatives while in Paris? Or that he should not have protested the
war after his return from Vietnam?
Sunil
>From: Paul Duffau <pduffau@adelphia.net>
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:13:18 -0700
>
>I meant to send this to the list as well as Mr. Hansen this morning but
got into a hurry.
>
>PD
>
>What part of "John Kerry's testimony before Congress" is hard to
understand. I used a direct quote from that testimony by, ta-da, John
Kerry. Need a link? Google it. Took me less than a minute. Or check the
Congressional Record.
>
>I have yet to dispute his record in Vietnam and will not do so. I
consider those to be facts as well.
>
>As far as the VVAW, I posted 3 separate links in my last message, from
3 different sources. You obviously decided that reading them was not worth
your time before trying to insult me. Thank you, however, for the reply to
my hypothetical question. I suspect (nasty old me!) that Kerry heard
rumblings ( not hard facts that he would be obligated to report) and elected
to leave the VVAW before this became an issue. That would be consistent
with his honorable service and his stands against the violence of the war.
(Shoot, I just hate it when I suspect the best of people. A real partisan
would have insisted he was there plotting. And called him something like
King John.)
>
>I don't care what Bush and Cheney do in regards to this issue. That is
not the point. The point was to try to get relevant information on a major
party candidate. I referenced you because I lacked the background to
determine proper procedure upon separation from the Armed Forces.
>
>Thank you for your service. It is very much appreciated. That also is
a fact.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Paul Duffau
>
>ps. Off to work now and I hope that everybody has a marvelous day!
>
>At 05:59 AM 4/28/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >You are certainly taking alot of liberty in reporting things as
"fact".
> >
> >Here is what I know to be fact by evidence linked here to this forum.
> >
> >Kerry Enlisted into the United States Navy in February of 1966.
> >
> >He attended Officer Candidate School from August 1966 thru December
1966 and was commissioned as an Ensign.
> >
> >He served two tours in Vietnam and was awaarded three Purple Hearts,
a Bronze Star (with "V" device), and a Silver Star (with "V" device).
> >
> >He was released from Active Duty in 1970 and placed in the active
reserve until July of 1972.
> >
> >He was honorably discharge in 1978.
> >
> >I am even willing to go as far as to say that you are right (that
Kerry spent his first honeymoon in Paris). Now, as you suggest, if he
commuicated with NOrth Vietnamese officials while in Paris, please show us
the evidence (a link, an old newspaper article, anything).
> >
> >And please show us evidence (of ANY kind) that reflects somebody (at
a VVAW meeting) suggesting assassinating public officials. Even if you are
correct, you further state that this idea was fully rejected (probably
because it was against the law). Yes, if Kerry were present at that meeting
and heard somebody honestly propose assassinate public officials, he has a
moral obligation to report it to the authorities (much like the knowledge of
an illegal casino being operated/funded by a church here in Moscow).
> >
> >One simple question: If (as you suggest) all this is fact, why isn't
King George, Cheney, Ashcroft, and the remainder of the Republican riff-raff
presenting it to the American public?
> >
> >And yes I am reasonably "conversant of the issues of the day". I
simply am not up-to-date on unsubstantiated inuendo. That appears to be
your area of expertise.
> >
> >But, I digress. Please continue. Inquiring minds want to know.
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >SFC, US Army (Retired)
> >>Phu Bai, RVN, October 1969 thru May 1970 (not rumor, just fact)
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Paul Duffau [mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:13 PM
> >>To: thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
> >>
> >>Mr. Hansen,
> >>
> >>In John Kerry's testimony before Congress in 1971, he stated, "I
have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks,
that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional
Revolutionary Government..." As I said, it is his words. At this time,
John Kerry was a member of the Naval Reserves (Active). Fact.
> >>
> >>Twice now I have indicated that there is some evidence, both
documentary and eyewitness based, that placed him at a meeting of the VVAW
(I should have specified this in the first two posts, but assumed [my
mistake!] that you were reasonably conversant of the issues of the day).
The plan of Scott Camil to assassinate senators in favor of the war was
overwhelmingly rejected by the VVAW leadership. Was Kerry there? Did he
know of the plan? Does a Naval officer on Active Reserve status have an
obligation to report such a threat or not if he is aware of it?
> >>
> >>Links to Kansas City meeting:
>
>>http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/01/kerry_ca
nt_recall_being_at_71_parley/
>
>>http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040327/NEWS/40327036
9/1134
>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pagewanted=
2&ei=5007&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ex=1398225600&partner=USERLAND
> >>
> >>Now, I have established as a fact (assuming that he told the truth)
that Kerry met with the North Vietnamese. Am I still ignorant? Or is
ignorance a charge to be brought when facts are inconveniently arranged?
> >>
> >>Again, respectfully,
> >>
> >>Paul Duffau
> >>
> >>At 08:45 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >>>Again (and for the final time), do you have ANY evidence of John
Kerry meeting with North Vietnamese officials, other than his statement that
he went to Paris on his honeymoon?
> >>>
> >>>This is getting ignorant now. This is a waste of my time.
> >>>
> >>>Forget the question. If you want to believe that John Kerry
plotted with the North Vietnamese to assassinate public officials, go right
ahead.
> >>>
> >>>Later,
> >>>
> >>>Tom Hansen
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Paul Duffau [mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net]
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:28 PM
> >>>To: thansen@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
> >>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
> >>>
> >>>Mr. Hansen,
> >>>
> >>>First, I must apologize. I thought I had been careful to state
that he had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of
public officials was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply that John
Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.
> >>>
> >>>Now, to your questions. I went to John Kerry's website and located
his record of service. It indicates that John Kerry was transferred to the
Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, 1972 he was transferred to
Standby Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, 1978, he was released from the
Naval Reserves. So far, we seem to be in agreement, though I wasn't trying
to be disagreeable but to get the facts correct.
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf
> >>>Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war
while still a member of the military reserve and also met a representative
of North Vietnam while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he
has indicated that he was there, I accept that as a fact.) This actually
lends some credence that he would be willing to meet with foreign officials
that want him to win the current election since it would simply repeat past
behavior.
> >>>
> >>> As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City
is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several
personal accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's proposition is
an open question. That Camil was working for the Kerry campaign in Florida
is indisputable since the campaign has since accepted his resignation. The
campaign also tried to get a Mr. John Musgrove to change his story about
Kerry's attendance. These events also occurred prior to the end of his
active reserve status.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600
&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
> >>>My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an
accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in paperwork. I
believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in dispute.
> >>>
> >>>Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>>Paul Duffau
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >>>>Two things, Mr. Duffau.
> >>>>Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from
Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve.
(<http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf>http://www.joh
nkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf). A thorough search of records
on display at his website and numerous searches via
<http://www.google.com>www.google.com resulted in disclosure of one document
subsequent to his release from active duty on 2 January 1970.
>
>>>><http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf>http://n
ews.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf
> >>>>A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective
1 July 1972, dated 1 March 1972.
> >>>>This tells me that he was on active reserve status until he
fulfilled his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred
into the inactive reserve,
> >>>>Could you please share with us ANY evidence that you may have come
across reflecting Kerry's military service subsequent to 1 July 1972,
especially any evidence linking him to assassinations of public officials?
> >>>>I anxiously await your response.
> >>>>Tom Hansen
> >>>>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Paul Duffau
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM
> >>>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
> >>>>
> >>>>Joan,
> >>>>
> >>>>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his
heroism. You are also correct that on his return he protested that same
war. It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the Reserves. He also
met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the Reserves. And apparently
was at a meeting in which assassinations of public officials was discussed,
while still in the Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation
papers direct him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge.
A separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves. A question
for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with discharge
procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a period of time in the
active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive status?)
> >>>>
> >>>>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue. His
behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy. Much of the
criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period after his release
from the Navy.
> >>>>
> >>>>Paul Duffau
> >>>>
> >>>>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >>>>>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism
in Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War. That's it.
Sum total.
> >>>>>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I =
can see your=20
point, Mr. Duffau, if John Kerry met with the two delegations as an =
officer in=20
the United States Navy, uniform and all. I am certain that he =
introduced=20
himself as "John Kerry" and not "Lieutenant Kerry, US =
Navy".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Once again, I=20
emphasize that this conversation is meaningless. Who cares in what =
capacity he introduced himself. In 1971 the war was seven years =
old and=20
people were dying at a much faster rate than currently in Iraq. =
Kerry's=20
primary (and I am satisfied "sole") purpose was to seek a peaceful end =
to the=20
conflict (as he mentioned in his sworn, public testimony before a Senate =
subcommittee). Unfortunately his attempts failed and the war =
continued for=20
another four years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I =
certainly do=20
not find fault with the man.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Take=20
care,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tom =
Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D720430404-30042004></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul=20
Duffau<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, =
medals, and=20
lying to ABC<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Sunil,<BR><BR>I apologize for taking =
so long=20
to get back to you. Yes, I do not believe that John Kerry, the =
private=20
citizen or Naval Reserve Officer, should have met with the North or =
South=20
Vietnamese delegations. John Kerry, as a private citizen, had =
every=20
right to protest. I am not sure that that applies to Kerry, =
Naval=20
Reserve Officer.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>At 09:22 PM 4/28/04 -0700, you=20
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Paul,<BR><BR>Is it your position =
that Kerry=20
should not have met with any Vietnamese representatives while in=20
Paris? Or that he should not have protested the war after his =
return=20
from Vietnam?<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>>From: Paul Duffau=20
<pduffau@adelphia.net> <BR>>To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
<BR>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC=20
<BR>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:13:18 -0700 <BR>> <BR>>I =
meant to=20
send this to the list as well as Mr. Hansen this morning but got =
into a=20
hurry. <BR>> <BR>>PD <BR>> <BR>>What part of "John =
Kerry's=20
testimony before Congress" is hard to understand. I used a =
direct=20
quote from that testimony by, ta-da, John Kerry. Need a =
link? =20
Google it. Took me less than a minute. Or check the=20
Congressional Record. <BR>> <BR>>I have yet to dispute his =
record in=20
Vietnam and will not do so. I consider those to be facts as =
well.=20
<BR>> <BR>>As far as the VVAW, I posted 3 separate links in my =
last=20
message, from 3 different sources. You obviously decided that =
reading=20
them was not worth your time before trying to insult me. Thank =
you,=20
however, for the reply to my hypothetical question. I suspect =
(nasty=20
old me!) that Kerry heard rumblings ( not hard facts that he would =
be=20
obligated to report) and elected to leave the VVAW before this =
became an=20
issue. That would be consistent with his honorable service and =
his=20
stands against the violence of the war. (Shoot, I just hate it when =
I=20
suspect the best of people. A real partisan would have =
insisted he was=20
there plotting. And called him something like King John.) =
<BR>>=20
<BR>>I don't care what Bush and Cheney do in regards to this =
issue. =20
That is not the point. The point was to try to get relevant=20
information on a major party candidate. I referenced you =
because I=20
lacked the background to determine proper procedure upon separation =
from the=20
Armed Forces. <BR>> <BR>>Thank you for your service. It =
is very=20
much appreciated. That also is a fact. <BR>> =
<BR>>Respectfully,=20
<BR>> <BR>>Paul Duffau <BR>> <BR>>ps. Off to work =
now and=20
I hope that everybody has a marvelous day! <BR>> <BR>>At 05:59 =
AM=20
4/28/04 -0700, you wrote: <BR>> >You are certainly taking alot =
of=20
liberty in reporting things as "fact". <BR>> > <BR>> =
>Here is=20
what I know to be fact by evidence linked here to this forum. =
<BR>> >=20
<BR>> >Kerry Enlisted into the United States Navy in February =
of 1966.=20
<BR>> > <BR>> >He attended Officer Candidate School from =
August=20
1966 thru December 1966 and was commissioned as an Ensign. <BR>> =
>=20
<BR>> >He served two tours in Vietnam and was awaarded three =
Purple=20
Hearts, a Bronze Star (with "V" device), and a Silver Star (with "V" =
device). <BR>> > <BR>> >He was released from Active Duty =
in 1970=20
and placed in the active reserve until July of 1972. <BR>> > =
<BR>>=20
>He was honorably discharge in 1978. <BR>> > <BR>> >I =
am even=20
willing to go as far as to say that you are right (that Kerry spent =
his=20
first honeymoon in Paris). Now, as you suggest, if he commuicated =
with NOrth=20
Vietnamese officials while in Paris, please show us the evidence (a =
link, an=20
old newspaper article, anything). <BR>> > <BR>> >And =
please show=20
us evidence (of ANY kind) that reflects somebody (at a VVAW meeting) =
suggesting assassinating public officials. Even if you are =
correct,=20
you further state that this idea was fully rejected (probably =
because it was=20
against the law). Yes, if Kerry were present at that meeting =
and heard=20
somebody honestly propose assassinate public officials, he has a =
moral=20
obligation to report it to the authorities (much like the knowledge =
of an=20
illegal casino being operated/funded by a church here in Moscow). =
<BR>>=20
> <BR>> >One simple question: If (as you suggest) all =
this is=20
fact, why isn't King George, Cheney, Ashcroft, and the remainder of =
the=20
Republican riff-raff presenting it to the American public? <BR>> =
>=20
<BR>> >And yes I am reasonably "conversant of the issues of =
the=20
day". I simply am not up-to-date on unsubstantiated =
inuendo. =20
That appears to be your area of expertise. <BR>> > <BR>> =
>But, I=20
digress. Please continue. Inquiring minds want to know. =
<BR>>=20
> <BR>> >Take care, <BR>> > <BR>> >Tom Hansen =
<BR>>=20
>SFC, US Army (Retired) <BR>> >>Phu Bai, RVN, October =
1969 thru=20
May 1970 (not rumor, just fact) <BR>> >>-----Original =
Message-----=20
<BR>> >>From: Paul Duffau [<A =
href=3D"mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net</A>] <BR>> =
>>Sent:=20
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:13 PM <BR>> >>To: =
thansen@moscow.com;=20
vision2020@moscow.com <BR>> >>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] =
Ribbons,=20
medals, and lying to ABC <BR>> >> <BR>> >>Mr. =
Hansen,=20
<BR>> >> <BR>> >>In John Kerry's testimony before =
Congress=20
in 1971, he stated, "I have been to Paris. I have talked with both=20
delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic =
Republic of=20
Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government..." As I =
said, it=20
is his words. At this time, John Kerry was a member of the =
Naval=20
Reserves (Active). Fact. <BR>> >> <BR>> >>Twice =
now I have=20
indicated that there is some evidence, both documentary and =
eyewitness=20
based, that placed him at a meeting of the VVAW (I should have =
specified=20
this in the first two posts, but assumed [my mistake!] that you were =
reasonably conversant of the issues of the day). The plan of =
Scott=20
Camil to assassinate senators in favor of the war was overwhelmingly =
rejected by the VVAW leadership. Was Kerry there? Did he =
know of=20
the plan? Does a Naval officer on Active Reserve status have =
an=20
obligation to report such a threat or not if he is aware of it? =
<BR>>=20
>> <BR>> >>Links to Kansas City meeting: <BR>> =
>><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/04/01=
/kerry_cant_recall_being_at_71_parley/"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles=
/2004/04/01/kerry_cant_recall_being_at_71_parley/</A>=20
<BR>> >><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20040327/NE=
WS/403270369/1134"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/=
20040327/NEWS/403270369/1134</A>=20
<BR>> >><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?pa=
gewanted=3D2&ei=3D5007&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ex=3D1398225600&=
amp;partner=3DUSERLAND"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24=
VET.html?pagewanted=3D2&ei=3D5007&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ex=3D=
1398225600&partner=3DUSERLAND</A>=20
<BR>> >> <BR>> >>Now, I have established as a fact =
(assuming that he told the truth) that Kerry met with the North=20
Vietnamese. Am I still ignorant? Or is ignorance a =
charge to be=20
brought when facts are inconveniently arranged? <BR>> >> =
<BR>>=20
>>Again, respectfully, <BR>> >> <BR>> >>Paul =
Duffau=20
<BR>> >> <BR>> >>At 08:45 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you =
wrote:=20
<BR>> >>>Again (and for the final time), do you have ANY =
evidence of John Kerry meeting with North Vietnamese officials, =
other than=20
his statement that he went to Paris on his honeymoon? <BR>> =
>>>=20
<BR>> >>>This is getting ignorant now. This is a =
waste of=20
my time. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>Forget the=20
question. If you want to believe that John Kerry plotted with =
the=20
North Vietnamese to assassinate public officials, go right ahead. =
<BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>>Later, <BR>> >>> =
<BR>>=20
>>>Tom Hansen <BR>> >>>-----Original =
Message-----=20
<BR>> >>>From: Paul Duffau [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net</A>] <BR>> =
>>>Sent:=20
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:28 PM <BR>> >>>To: =
thansen@moscow.com;=20
vision2020@moscow.com <BR>> >>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] =
Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>>Mr. Hansen, <BR>> >>> <BR>> =
>>>First, I=20
must apologize. I thought I had been careful to state that he =
had=20
apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of public =
officials=20
was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply that John Kerry =
actively=20
plotted or participated in any such scheme. <BR>> >>> =
<BR>>=20
>>>Now, to your questions. I went to John Kerry's =
website and=20
located his record of service. It indicates that John Kerry =
was=20
transferred to the Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, =
1972 he=20
was transferred to Standby Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, =
1978, he=20
was released from the Naval Reserves. So far, we seem to be in =
agreement, though I wasn't trying to be disagreeable but to get the =
facts=20
correct. <A =
href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf</A> =
<BR>> >>>Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was =
protesting the war while still a member of the military reserve and =
also met=20
a representative of North Vietnam while travelling in France during =
his=20
honeymoon (since he has indicated that he was there, I accept that =
as a=20
fact.) This actually lends some credence that he would be =
willing to=20
meet with foreign officials that want him to win the current =
election since=20
it would simply repeat past behavior. <BR>> >>> <BR>> =
>>> As I indicated before, the record on the meeting =
in=20
Kansas City is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI =
and a=20
several personal accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott =
Camil's=20
proposition is an open question. That Camil was working for =
the Kerry=20
campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since =
accepted=20
his resignation. The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John =
Musgrove to=20
change his story about Kerry's attendance. These events also =
occurred=20
prior to the end of his active reserve status. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=
=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&partner=3DUSERL=
AND"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24=
VET.html?ex=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&part=
ner=3DUSERLAND</A>=20
<BR>> >>>My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was =
merely=20
to get an accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap =
in=20
paperwork. I believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones =
in=20
dispute. <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>>Respectfully, =
<BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>>Paul Duffau <BR>> >>> =
<BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>> <BR>> >>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> >>>At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you =
wrote:=20
<BR>> >>>>Two things, Mr. Duffau. <BR>>=20
>>>>Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John =
Kerry's=20
Release from Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to =
inactive=20
reserve. (<<A=20
href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf" =
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Dut=
y.pdf</A>><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf).%A0"=
=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Dut=
y.pdf).=20
</A>A thorough search of records on display at his website and =
numerous=20
searches via <<A href=3D"http://www.google.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.google.com</A>><A=20
href=3D"http://www.google.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl">www.google.com</A> resulted=20
in disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active =
duty on=20
2 January 1970. <BR>> >>>><<A=20
=
href=3D"http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndy=
rsrv.pdf</A>><A=20
=
href=3D"http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndy=
rsrv.pdf</A>=20
<BR>> >>>>A Contingent Transfer to the Standby =
(Inactive)=20
Reserves effective 1 July 1972, dated 1 March 1972. <BR>>=20
>>>>This tells me that he was on active reserve status =
until he=20
fulfilled his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then =
transferred=20
into the inactive reserve, <BR>> >>>>Could you please =
share=20
with us ANY evidence that you may have come across reflecting =
Kerry's=20
military service subsequent to 1 July 1972, especially any evidence =
linking=20
him to assassinations of public officials? <BR>> =
>>>>I=20
anxiously await your response. <BR>> >>>>Tom Hansen =
<BR>>=20
>>>>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever <BR>>=20
>>>>-----Original Message----- <BR>> =
>>>>From:=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com%5DOn"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On</A> Behalf =
Of Paul=20
Duffau <BR>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 =
PM=20
<BR>> >>>>To: vision2020@moscow.com <BR>>=20
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying =
to ABC=20
<BR>> >>>> <BR>> >>>>Joan, <BR>>=20
>>>> <BR>> >>>>You are correct that it is =
a fact=20
that Kerry was decorated for his heroism. You are also correct =
that on=20
his return he protested that same war. It is also a fact that =
he did=20
so a a member of the Reserves. He also met with North =
Vietnamese in=20
Paris while in the Reserves. And apparently was at a meeting =
in which=20
assassinations of public officials was discussed, while still =
in the=20
Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation papers =
direct him=20
to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge. A =
separate=20
document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves. A =
question for=20
Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with discharge=20
procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a period of time =
in the=20
active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive status?) <BR>>=20
>>>> <BR>> >>>>In my mind, his behavior =
after his=20
return is an issue. His behavior in the service was honorable =
and=20
praiseworthy. Much of the criticism that I've seen recently =
deals with=20
the period after his release from the Navy. <BR>> =
>>>>=20
<BR>> >>>>Paul Duffau <BR>> >>>> =
<BR>>=20
>>>>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote: <BR>>=20
>>>>>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was =
decorated=20
for heroism in Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the =
Vietnam=20
War. That's it. Sum total. <BR>> >>>>> =
<BR>> >>>>>---------- <BR>> =
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