[Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC
Paul Duffau
pduffau@adelphia.net
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:28:22 -0700
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Mr. Hansen,
First, I must apologize. I thought I had been careful to state that he had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of public officials was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply that John Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.
Now, to your questions. I went to John Kerry's website and located his record of service. It indicates that John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, 1972 he was transferred to Standby Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, 1978, he was released from the Naval Reserves. So far, we seem to be in agreement, though I wasn't trying to be disagreeable but to get the facts correct. http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf
Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war while still a member of the military reserve and also met a representative of North Vietnam while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he has indicated that he was there, I accept that as a fact.) This actually lends some credence that he would be willing to meet with foreign officials that want him to win the current election since it would simply repeat past behavior.
As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City is iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several personal accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's proposition is an open question. That Camil was working for the Kerry campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since accepted his resignation. The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John Musgrove to change his story about Kerry's attendance. These events also occurred prior to the end of his active reserve status. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=1398225600&en=3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in paperwork. I believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in dispute.
Respectfully,
Paul Duffau
At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
>Two things, Mr. Duffau.
>
>Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG John Kerry's Release from Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was ordered to inactive reserve. (<http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf). A thorough search of records on display at his website and numerous searches via <http://www.google.com>www.google.com resulted in disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active duty on 2 January 1970.
>
><http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf>http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf
>A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1 July 1972, dated 1 March 1972.
>
>This tells me that he was on active reserve status until he fulfilled his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was then transferred into the inactive reserve,
>
>Could you please share with us ANY evidence that you may have come across reflecting Kerry's military service subsequent to 1 July 1972, especially any evidence linking him to assassinations of public officials?
>
>I anxiously await your response.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Not On The Palouse, Not Ever
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Paul Duffau
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>>
>>Joan,
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>>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his heroism. You are also correct that on his return he protested that same war. It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the Reserves. He also met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the Reserves. And apparently was at a meeting in which assassinations of public officials was discussed, while still in the Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation papers direct him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge. A separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves. A question for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with discharge procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a period of time in the active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive status?)
>>
>>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue. His behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy. Much of the criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period after his release from the Navy.
>>
>>Paul Duffau
>>
>>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:
>>>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism in Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War. That's it. Sum total.
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Mr. Hansen,<br>
<br>
First, I must apologize. I thought I had been careful to state that
he had apparently attended a meeting in which the assassination of public
officials was discussed. In no way did I mean to imply that John
Kerry actively plotted or participated in any such scheme.<br>
<br>
Now, to your questions. I went to John Kerry's website and located
his record of service. It indicates that John Kerry was transferred
to the Naval Reserves on Jan. 3, 1970. On July 1, 1972 he was
transferred to Standby Reserves - Inactive. On Feb 16, 1978, he was
released from the Naval Reserves. So far, we seem to be in
agreement, though I wasn't trying to be disagreeable but to get the facts
correct.
<a href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Service_Record.pdf</a><br=
>
<br>
Based on these dates, John Kerry definitely was protesting the war while
still a member of the military reserve and also met a representative of
North Vietnam while travelling in France during his honeymoon (since he
has indicated that he was there, I accept that as a fact.) This
actually lends some credence that he would be willing to meet with
foreign officials that want him to win the current election since it
would simply repeat past behavior.<br>
<br>
As I indicated before, the record on the meeting in Kansas City is
iffy, based on contemporaneous records from the FBI and a several
personal accounts. Whether Kerry was aware of Scott Camil's
proposition is an open question. That Camil was working for the
Kerry campaign in Florida is indisputable since the campaign has since
accepted his resignation. The campaign also tried to get a Mr. John
Musgrove to change his story about Kerry's attendance. These events
also occurred prior to the end of his active reserve status.
<a=
href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=
=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&partner=3DUSERLAND=
"=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VE=
T.html?ex=3D1398225600&en=3D3fb3db1485d5aace&ei=3D5007&partner=
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href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/politics/campaign/24VET.html?ex=
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" eudora=3D"autourl">USERLAND<br>
<br>
</a>My reference to the Inactive Reserve status was merely to get an
accurate timeline and to try to understand the 2 year gap in
paperwork. I believe that the events of 1970-1972 are the ones in
dispute.<br>
<br>
Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Paul Duffau<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
At 07:33 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF"><blockquote type=3Dcite cite>Two things, Mr=
.
Duffau.</font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">Judging by the first endorsement to LTJG
John Kerry's Release from Active Duty, dated 2 January 1970, he was
ordered to inactive reserve.
(<a href=3D"http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf">htt=
p://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf</a>).
A thorough search of records on display at his website and numerous
searches via <a href=3D"http://www.google.com">www.google.com</a> resulted
in disclosure of one document subsequent to his release from active duty
on 2 January 1970.</font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF"><a=
href=3D"http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf">htt=
p://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/trnsfr2stndyrsrv.pdf</a></font><br>
A Contingent Transfer to the Standby (Inactive) Reserves effective 1 July
1972, dated 1 March 1972.<br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">This tells me that he was on active reserve
status until he fulfilled his six-year obligation on 1 July 1972 and was
then transferred into the inactive reserve,</font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">Could you please share with us ANY evidence
that you may have come across reflecting Kerry's military service
subsequent to 1 July 1972, especially any evidence linking him to
assassinations of public officials?</font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">I anxiously await your=20
response.</font><br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000FF">Tom Hansen</font><br>
Not On The Palouse, Not Ever<blockquote><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D2>
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<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:44 PM
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<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Ribbons, medals, and lying to ABC<br>
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<dd>Joan,<br>
<br>
<dd>You are correct that it is a fact that Kerry was decorated for his
heroism. You are also correct that on his return he protested that
same war. It is also a fact that he did so a a member of the
Reserves. He also met with North Vietnamese in Paris while in the
Reserves. And apparently was at a meeting in which assassinations
of public officials was discussed, while still in the
Reserves. (This last is in question - his separation papers direct
him to contact the Naval Reserves immediately upon discharge. A
separate document shows service from '72-'78 for the Reserves. A
question for Tom, since he will be far more familiar than I am with
discharge procedures: When discharged, do you serve for a period of
time in the active Reserves before reassignment to Inactive=20
status?)<br>
<br>
<dd>In my mind, his behavior after his return is an issue. His
behavior in the service was honorable and praiseworthy. Much of the
criticism that I've seen recently deals with the period after his release
from the Navy. <br>
<br>
<dd>Paul Duffau<br>
<br>
<dd>At 03:47 PM 4/27/04 -0700, you wrote:<blockquote type=3Dcite cite>
<dd>The facts of the case are simple: Kerry was decorated for heroism in
Vietnam. Kerry, on his return, protested the Vietnam War.
That's it. Sum total.
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