[Vision2020] Pat's Refusal
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:02:18 -0700
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Sunil writes:
"I must ask, 'From what?' Certainly not the blinding clarity of your answers,
since those are as difficult to locate as Iraqi WMDs."
This clever construction makes my day! Perhaps, it belongs in the new editions
of those famous quotation references. Thank you, Sunil!
However, I will not go on a hunger strike while Ms. Kraut decides whether to
answer your original legitimate question.
But perhaps we should be more kind and patient. Some people, because their
background, because of the quality of their education, and/or because of their
religious beliefs, do not understand the necessity or desirability of citing
verifiable evidence to make their assertions probable.
Let's give Pat another chance: Pat, when you say "X is true.", you might
consider saying "X is true because Y, Z, ..." When that happens, you provoke
thought and possibly responses, etc.
Trying to avoid being jagulating,
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sunil Ramalingam
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Pat's refusal
Pat,
On April 6, 2004, you wrote in response to someone's post
"As to the war being about oil and revenge for daddy. This shows such a
complete ignorance about oil in the world and who Bush is that it isn't even
worthy of a site where people claim to be learned."
Clearly you have taken a position that the war is not about oil or revenge for
the senior Bush. And I have been asking you ever since to explain what the war
is about. Your recent response is that the information is available to me.
Where?
If you've posted your rationale to V2020, I've missed it; please tell me what
date you posted, and I'll look it up. If you posted elsewhere, give me a site or
a web address, and I'll look that up.
If you are going to challenge the views of others, then I expect you to defend
your position. If you don't wish to do so, why are you challenging other people?
You have claimed that someone else shows complete ignorance. Well, go ahead and
explain how that person is completely wrong, and offer your explanation for why
we are there.
I find your refusal to answer strange. I don't understand it, but here's a
proposal: If you don't intend to defend your positions, don't take any. If you
do take positions, expect to be called on to defend them.
Finally, you ask Tom Hansen if he's protecting me. I must ask, 'From what?'
Certainly not the blinding clarity of your answers, since those are as difficult
to locate as Iraqi WMDs. If reading your answers is like staring at a solar
eclipse, my eyes are safe.
Sunil
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Sunil writes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>"</FONT><FONT size=3D3>I must ask, 'From what?' =
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as Iraqi WMDs.</FONT><FONT size=3D4>"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>This clever construction makes my day! =
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belongs in the new editions of those famous quotation references. =
Thank=20
you, Sunil!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>However, I will not go on a hunger strike while Ms. =
Kraut=20
decides whether to answer your original legitimate =
question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>But perhaps we should be more kind and =
patient. Some=20
people, because their background, because of the quality of their =
education,=20
and/or because of their religious beliefs, do not understand the =
necessity=20
or desirability of citing verifiable evidence to make their =
assertions=20
probable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Let's give Pat another chance: Pat, when you =
say "X is=20
true.", you might consider saying "X is true because Y, Z, ..." =
When that=20
happens, you provoke thought and possibly responses, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Trying to avoid being jagulating,</FONT></DIV><FONT =
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<DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
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<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 23, 2004 =
5:55=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Pat's =
refusal</DIV>
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<P>Pat,</P>
<P>On April 6, 2004, you wrote in response to someone's post</P>
<P>"As to the war being about oil and revenge for daddy. This shows =
such a=20
complete ignorance about oil in the world and who Bush is that it =
isn't even=20
worthy of a site where people claim to be learned."</P>
<P>Clearly you have taken a position that the war is not about oil or =
revenge=20
for the senior Bush. And I have been asking you ever since to explain =
what the=20
war is about. Your recent response is that the information is =
available to=20
me.</P>
<P> Where? </P>
<P>If you=92ve posted your rationale to V2020, I=92ve missed it; =
please tell me=20
what date you posted, and I=92ll look it up. If you posted elsewhere, =
give me a=20
site or a web address, and I=92ll look that up. </P>
<P>If you are going to challenge the views of others, then I expect =
you to=20
defend your position. If you don=92t wish to do so, why are you =
challenging=20
other people? You have claimed that someone else shows complete =
ignorance.=20
Well, go ahead and explain how that person is completely wrong, and =
offer your=20
explanation for why we are there. </P>
<P>I find your refusal to answer strange. I don=92t understand it, but =
here=92s a=20
proposal: If you don=92t intend to defend your positions, don=92t take =
any. If you=20
do take positions, expect to be called on to defend them. </P>
<P>Finally, you ask Tom Hansen if he's protecting me. I must =
ask, 'From=20
what?' Certainly not the blinding clarity of your answers, since those =
are as=20
difficult to locate as Iraqi WMDs. If reading your answers =
is like=20
staring at a solar eclipse, my eyes are safe.</P>
=
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