[Vision2020] Score one for the KKK!
Paul Duffau
pduffau@adelphia.net
Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:57:26 -0700
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Donovan,
A few questions for you...
At 07:30 PM 4/10/04 -0700, you wrote:
>1) Why target Homosexuals? Why not Jews, they have different lifestyles that is objectionable to Christians? Or how about Rapists, or Pedophiles, or Murderers, or Thieves? He went right for Gay people directly. Would not his argument from his interpretation carry the same weight for Jews? If so, why not use that instead, I think you know the answer to that. It is more expectable to target gays and lesbians than Jews.
What lifestyle aspect of judaism would Christians find objectionable? Are the rapists, pedophiles, murderers, or thieves addressed in the Old Testament as well as the New? What about current law? What treatment do they receive in each?
>2) Second, the company is not asking for acceptance of "behavior" just orientation. Lifestyle is not one specific behavior and can include and exclude certain behaviors and still be considered the same lifestyle.
Please explain how it is possible to be gay without a behavioral difference. Can an individual disagree with an orientation but still provide equality of service?
>3) Third, if the man is a "Christian" because he follows "Christ", then let him show exactly when "Christ" spoke against, or denied Gays "respect and value."
Please indicate where the Christ spoke in favor of same.
>4) If he was a Christian, why would he not gladly quit his job and let Christ take care of him instead of seeking earthly materialistic goods in return for his "Values". Even Judas gave the money back.
Because other, earthly alternatives are currently provided. Please explain the significance of the the Judas analogy - it's my slow day and I lost you in the wilderness.
>5) Why would anyone want to work for a company that they do not agree with?
Why not - bills still need to be paid. Many people are enormously dissatisfied with their work or employer yet continue to stay at their current job. Should they forfeit their responsibilities to family and quit?
>6) Why should a company have to keep employees that will not value the customer and just not discriminate against them. When I go into a store, I don't want to be just not discriminated against, I want to be a "valued customer". If a business does not value me then I will go someplace else. If this effect is multiplied, that business will face a loss, and go out of business. This is an unbearable burden for a business.
If the employee does not discriminate against you, how will you know that they do not value you? Are you psychic? Using personal experiences: 1) demonstrate how in your life you have provided discriminatory service to a person or group on the basis or in spite of disagreement with some aspect of their behavior; or 2) Please explain how you managed to provide said service despite your beliefs and why this individual could not emulate your example.
>This is just a BS way of twisting words to stop gays and lesbians from achieving equality in workplace and marketplace. PERIOD.
Please expand on how words have been twisted in this case. Please define "equality in the workplace and marketplace". Along the same vein, please explain the KKK reference since I did not see it in the original article. (Not a defence of the KKK or any other racist entity!!!!!)
>Respectfully,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
Equally Respectfully,
Paul Duffau
ps. I thought that I would ignore this thread as silly since the courts have presented a fait accompli (subject to review by higher courts) but it seems that someone is lonely and needs attention so I thought I might as well ask a few questions and maybe learn a few things as well as relieve some boredom.
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Donovan,<br>
<br>
A few questions for you...<br>
At 07:30 PM 4/10/04 -0700, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>1) Why target Homosexuals? Why not Jews, they
have different lifestyles that is objectionable to Christians? Or how
about Rapists, or Pedophiles, or Murderers, or Thieves? He went right for
Gay people directly. Would not his argument from his interpretation carry
the same weight for Jews? If so, why not use that instead, I think you
know the answer to that. It is more expectable to target gays and
lesbians than Jews.</blockquote><br>
What <b><i>lifestyle</b> </i>aspect of judaism would Christians find
objectionable? Are the rapists, pedophiles, murderers, or
thieves addressed in the Old Testament as well as the New? What
about current law? What treatment do they receive in each?
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>2) Second, the company is not asking for
acceptance of "behavior" just orientation. Lifestyle is not one
specific behavior and can include and exclude certain behaviors and still
be considered the same lifestyle.</blockquote><br>
Please explain how it is possible to be gay without a behavioral
difference. Can an individual disagree with an orientation but
still provide equality of service?<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>3) Third, if the man is a
"Christian" because he follows "Christ", then let him
show exactly when "Christ" spoke against, or denied Gays
"respect and value."</blockquote><br>
Please indicate where the Christ spoke in favor of same.<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>4) If he was a Christian, why would he not
gladly quit his job and let Christ take care of him instead of seeking
earthly materialistic goods in return for his "Values". Even
Judas gave the money back.</blockquote><br>
Because other, earthly alternatives are currently provided. Please
explain the significance of the the Judas analogy - it's my slow day and
I lost you in the wilderness.<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>5) Why would anyone want to work for a company
that they do not agree with?</blockquote><br>
<br>
Why not - bills still need to be paid. Many people are
enormously dissatisfied with their work or employer yet continue to stay
at their current job. Should they forfeit their responsibilities to
family and quit?<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>6) Why should a company have to keep employees
that will not value the customer and just not discriminate against them.
When I go into a store, I don't want to be just not discriminated
against, I want to be a "valued customer". If a business does
not value me then I will go someplace else. If this effect is multiplied,
that business will face a loss, and go out of business. This is an
unbearable burden for a business.</blockquote><br>
If the employee does not discriminate against you, how will you know that
they do not value you? Are you psychic? Using personal
experiences: 1) demonstrate how in your life you have provided
discriminatory service to a person or group on the basis or in spite of
disagreement with some aspect of their behavior; or 2) Please
explain how you managed to provide said service despite your beliefs and
why this individual could not emulate your example.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>This is just a BS way of twisting words to
stop gays and lesbians from achieving equality in workplace and
marketplace. PERIOD.</blockquote><br>
<br>
Please expand on how words have been twisted in this case. Please
define "equality in the workplace and marketplace". Along
the same vein, please explain the KKK reference since I did not see it in
the original article. (Not a defence of the KKK or any other racist
entity!!!!!)<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Donovan J Arnold</blockquote><br>
<br>
<br>
Equally Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Paul Duffau<br>
<br>
ps. I thought that I would ignore this thread as silly since the
courts have presented a <i>fait accompli (</i>subject to review by
higher courts) but it seems that someone is lonely and needs attention so
I thought I might as well ask a few questions and maybe learn a few
things as well as relieve some boredom. </html>
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