[Vision2020] Case closed: Future lawyers in training -- Moscow school wins mock trial competition against Bishop Kelly
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:02:03 -0700
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Ben, et al,
Did you read the entire article that Dale posted?
For example, the following:
"But an hour before, the teams looked like the real things arguing a capital
murder case involving a dog mauling, with all the subtleties seen in a real
courtroom. Such as:
. Asking a witness a question knowing the judge will rule it stricken, but
getting it before the jury at least once. The Logos team did that a few times."
The is exactly the kind of unethical, underhanded behavior that causes the
populace to rank some lawyers [and all Christ Church Cult Leaders] below the
bottom rung of the integrity ladder.
The message of such conduct is "Prevail at any cost; the hell with the truth and
the rules." Maybe such telling conduct is appropriate on the football field but
in courts of law where the dispensation of justice is attempted and where real
people's lives and property are at stake, such conduct seems not only immoral
and depraved but counter-productive to foundational goals of and the very reason
for the existence of those courts of law.
It is obvious that the Logos students worked hard and performed effectively. I
might have congratulated these perhaps well-intentioned but misled young folks
for their effort and for winning had they in the process refused to follow their
instructors' obviously unscrupulous, dishonorable, though not unexpected
tutelage.
The real subtext of the news article is "Send your children to Logos. We'll
teach them how to prevail by cheating and dishonesty."
Note from the quote of the news article that the Logos team cheated not only
once but "a few times".
It is too bad the opposition team did not ask for an assignment of prejudicial
misconduct and a finding of contempt against the Logos team. Had they done so,
the outcome of the contest might have been different.
Logos will proudly hang their victory banner [probably appropriately near the
large portrait of Robert E. Lee]. In a few weeks the fecal stench of the
dishonorable, unprincipled way it was won will be just small, unpleasant,
nagging itch (if that) which in further time will be repressed entirely. The
final paean will be "We won! We won! We're the greatest!" not the more
accurate "We cheated! We won! We're the sneakiest!".
I am very saddened for our community and for the courts of law though hardly
surprised that a law student who masquerades as a Christian would find Logos'
conduct in this case laudable. But Oh, Yes! You are a graduate of Logos --
ethical viewpoint explained. Is Logos' dishonest conduct excused by the
Doctrine of Covenantal Lying or is there another justification?
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Twigg" <bentwigg@yahoo.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Cc: <deco@moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Case closed: Future lawyers in training -- Moscow school
wins mock trial competition against Bishop Kelly
| Wayne Fox wrote:
|
| Perhaps Logos is an ideal place for lawyers to start.
| The text for their logic and rhetoric studies is The
| Art of Deception. How fitting for future lawyers and
| religious crackpots!
|
| I respond:
|
| I am not familiar with The Art of Deception, nor am I
| aware of any lawyers or religious crackpots that have
| attended Logos.
|
| I do recall being encouraged to think critically and
| argue persuasively during logic and rhetoric classes
| at Logos many years ago, and I know teachers, nurses,
| coaches, engineers, accountants, foresters, artists,
| pastors, carpenters, dieticians, musicians and small
| business owners that once attended Logos.
|
| News of a local school winning a statewide academic
| (or at least semi-academic) contest should be cause
| for celebration, not inspiration for insults.
|
| Probably sounding like a broken record (but hopefully
| in the interest of fairness),
|
| Ben Twigg
|
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Ben, et al,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Did you read the entire article that Dale =
posted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>For example, the following:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>"</FONT><FONT size=3D4>But an hour before, the teams =
looked like=20
the real things arguing a capital murder case involving a dog mauling, =
with all=20
the subtleties seen in a real courtroom. Such as: </FONT>
<P><FONT size=3D4>=95 <STRONG>Asking a witness a question knowing the =
judge will=20
rule it stricken, but getting it before the jury at least once. The =
Logos team=20
did that a few times.</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3D4>"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>The is exactly the kind of unethical, underhanded =
behavior that=20
causes the populace to rank some lawyers [and all Christ Church Cult=20
Leaders] below the bottom rung of the integrity ladder.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>The message of such conduct is "Prevail at any cost; =
the hell=20
with the truth and the rules." Maybe such telling conduct is =
appropriate=20
on the football field but in courts of law where the dispensation =
of=20
justice is attempted and where real people's lives and property are =
at=20
stake, such conduct seems not only immoral and depraved but =
counter-productive=20
to foundational goals of and the very reason for the existence =
of=20
those courts of law.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>It is obvious that the Logos students worked hard and =
performed=20
effectively. I might have congratulated these perhaps=20
well-intentioned but misled young folks for their effort and for =
winning=20
had they in the process refused to follow their instructors' obviously=20
unscrupulous, dishonorable, though not =
unexpected tutelage.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>The real subtext of the news article is <STRONG>"Send =
your=20
children to Logos. We'll teach them how to prevail by cheating and =
dishonesty."</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>Note from the quote of the news article that the =
Logos team=20
cheated not only once but "a few times".</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>It is too bad the opposition team did not ask for=20
an assignment of prejudicial misconduct and a finding of contempt =
against=20
the Logos team. Had they done so, the outcome of the contest =
might=20
have been different.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>Logos will proudly hang their victory banner [probably =
appropriately near the large portrait of Robert E. Lee]. In a few =
weeks=20
the fecal stench of the dishonorable, unprincipled way it was won =
will be=20
just small, unpleasant, nagging itch (if that) which in further =
time will=20
be repressed entirely. The final paean will be "We won! We=20
won! We're the greatest!" not the more accurate "We cheated! =
We=20
won! We're the sneakiest!".</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>I am very saddened for our community and for the =
courts of=20
law though hardly surprised that a law student who masquerades as a =
Christian=20
would find Logos' conduct in this case laudable. But Oh, =
Yes! =20
You are a graduate of Logos -- ethical viewpoint explained. Is =
Logos'=20
dishonest conduct excused by the Doctrine of Covenantal Lying or is =
there=20
another justification?</FONT></P><FONT size=3D4>
<P><BR>Wayne</P>
<P>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>From: "Ben Twigg" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:bentwigg@yahoo.com"><FONT =
size=3D4>bentwigg@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>To: <</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT=20
size=3D4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Cc: <</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT=20
size=3D4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:07 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Subject: [Vision2020] Case closed: Future lawyers in =
training=20
-- Moscow school wins mock trial competition against Bishop=20
Kelly</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D4>| Wayne Fox =
wrote:<BR>| <BR>|=20
Perhaps Logos is an ideal place for lawyers to start. <BR>| The text for =
their=20
logic and rhetoric studies is The<BR>| Art of Deception. How =
fitting for=20
future lawyers and<BR>| religious crackpots!<BR>| <BR>| I respond:<BR>| =
<BR>| I=20
am not familiar with The Art of Deception, nor am I<BR>| aware of any =
lawyers or=20
religious crackpots that have<BR>| attended Logos.<BR>| <BR>| I do =
recall being=20
encouraged to think critically and<BR>| argue persuasively during logic =
and=20
rhetoric classes<BR>| at Logos many years ago, and I know teachers, =
nurses,<BR>|=20
coaches, engineers, accountants, foresters, artists,<BR>| pastors, =
carpenters,=20
dieticians, musicians and small<BR>| business owners that once attended =
Logos.=20
<BR>| <BR>| News of a local school winning a statewide academic<BR>| (or =
at=20
least semi-academic) contest should be cause<BR>| for celebration, not=20
inspiration for insults. <BR>| <BR>| Probably sounding like a broken =
record (but=20
hopefully<BR>| in the interest of fairness),<BR>| <BR>| Ben Twigg<BR>|=20
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