[Vision2020] Reading on line
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:04:49 -0700
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Sunil,
We invaded Iraq based on mostly false premises. (The only true premise appears
to be that Saddam was not a benevolent dictator.) We killed and mutilated many
people. We negatively impacted many, many lives. We destroyed a great deal of
infrastructure. Etc., etc.
I don't not think it would be ethical or in our country's long range interest to
walk away from this mess we, for the most part, created. As a citizen, I feel a
moral obligation to leave Iraq in at least as good of shape as before we
inflicted our thoughtless might upon it.
Participation with the UN in an international effort is the least we can do.
That effort, however, would be very difficult given the current insurgency.
Part of the problem started when the State Department was left out of or ignored
in the pre-war planning loop. Perhaps, it might help to bring in the State
Department's perspectives as well as those of the rest of the world.
Iraq/Afghanistan/Terrorism is perhaps part of one of the most difficult problems
ever to face humankind -- perhaps the survival of humankind hangs in the
balance. I don't have the answer, but as a professional problem solver I think
that many different alternatives must be examined and evaluated in a factual,
ethnic, cultural religious, and humanitarian context including many that are
unpalatable to the current American administration.
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Sunil Ramalingam
To: deco@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reading on line
Wayne,
I assumed that Pat intended to paste a link into that email, and that is why
there wasn't an actual article in the post.
Whatever the case, here is a link to an article which, though it may not
receive Pat's stamp of approval, makes a good argument for the way things are
headed and why we should get out of Iraq.
http://www.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhmtl?pid=1357
If we are going to stay, seems to me we had better turn everything over, for
real, to the U.N. This won't happen since it's part of the Bush/Cheney plan to
stay on (at the 'request' of the new government) after June 30, and probably
move our troops out of Saudi Arabia to Iraq (according to Paul Wolfowitz) and
continue to run things from our embassy. I doubt we'll turn anything over to
the U.N. under this administration.
Sunil
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Sunil,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>We invaded Iraq based on mostly false premises. =
(The=20
only true premise appears to be that Saddam was not a benevolent=20
dictator.) We killed and mutilated many people. We =
negatively=20
impacted many, many lives. We destroyed a great deal of=20
infrastructure. Etc., etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I don't not think it would be ethical or in our =
country's long=20
range interest to walk away from this mess we, for the most part, =
created. =20
As a citizen, I feel a moral obligation to leave Iraq in at least as =
good of=20
shape as before we inflicted our thoughtless might upon it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Participation with the UN in an international effort =
is the=20
least we can do. That effort, however, would be very difficult =
given the=20
current insurgency. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Part of t</FONT><FONT size=3D4>he problem started =
when the State=20
Department was left out of or ignored in the pre-war planning =
loop. =20
Perhaps, it might help to bring in the State Department's perspectives =
as well=20
as those of the rest of the world.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Iraq/Afghanistan/Terrorism is perhaps part of =
one of the=20
most difficult problems ever to face humankind -- perhaps the survival =
of=20
humankind hangs in the balance. I don't have the answer, but as a=20
professional problem solver I think that many different alternatives =
must be=20
examined and evaluated in a factual, ethnic, cultural religious, and=20
humanitarian context including many that are unpalatable to the current =
American=20
administration.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
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<P>Wayne,</P>
<P>I assumed that Pat intended to paste a link into that email, and =
that is=20
why there wasn't an actual article in the post.</P>
<P>Whatever the case, here is a link to an article which, though it =
may not=20
receive Pat's stamp of approval, makes a good argument for the way =
things are=20
headed and why we should get out of Iraq.</P>
<P><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhmtl?pid=3D1357">http://w=
ww.thenation.com/outrage/index.mhmtl?pid=3D1357</A></P>
<P>If we are going to stay, seems to me we had better turn everything =
over,=20
for real, to the U.N. This won't happen since it's part of =
the=20
Bush/Cheney plan to stay on (at the 'request' of the new government) =
after=20
June 30, and probably move our troops out of Saudi Arabia to Iraq =
(according=20
to Paul Wolfowitz) and continue to run things from our embassy. =
I doubt=20
we'll turn anything over to the U.N. under this administration.</P>
<P><BR>Sunil</P></DIV>
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