[Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold

Donovan Arnold donovanarnold@hotmail.com
Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:03:30 -0700


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<P>Mr. Hansen,</P>
<P>Gee, yeah, I better get someone to interpret that for me. You are just so over my head in your military jargon. You must be some kind of genius. Hey, since you make fun of my disability can I make fun of yours?</P></DIV>
<P>I already answered your wager question about 5 emails ago. Perhaps you should get someone to read your emails for you.</P>
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<P>Did you meet Clark in Germany too? Or how about in a spacecraft when you were stationed at Area-51? Did the aliens tell you that Clark was a pompous ass that wanted to kill people to advance his career too?</P>
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<P>Sarcasm now aside. You have as bad&nbsp;of luck as I do. Sorry about your injury. I envy your service to your country and wish I could have entered the military as well. For that I thank you. I was surrounded by military men and women all my life as a minor and wanted very badly to enter the military (Navy to be exact). It is the most honorable service one can do for their country and fellow citizens.</P>
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<P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, "Vision2020" <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:27:08 -0700 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Mr. Arnold - 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;I was medevac'd from Kitzingen, Germany to San Diego, California in November 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;1986. After numerous operations (and therapy) I was reassigned to Medical 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hold Detachment, Fort Ord, California in September 1987. I went before 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;several Medical Retention Boards and was disably retired (at 45%) in July 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;1989. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;I suggest that you find somebody that has a more thorough grasp on the 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;English language and have them explain the above paragraph to you, ok? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Tom Hansen 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; -----Original Message----- 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Behalf Of Donovan Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:45 AM 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; To: tomh@uidaho.edu; thansen@moscow.com; dmcourtn@moscow.com; 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;vision2020@moscow.com 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Subject: [Vision2020] RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Tom, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Usually, a tour of duty is followed upon by a second tour of duty. I am 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;happy that you admit that you were only under Clark for just one month at 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;most. Just was my point. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Not to get to personal (if so I apologize) but I must bring it up for 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;because of a contradiction in your stories. I might be incorrect about this. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;But I thought you said you were disabled because of a military injury and 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;left the military for that reason. It would seem odd that someone that was 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;injured would be serving right up to the time they finished their tour of 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;duty. I would expect a military leave for at least awhile. Unless the injury 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;was a complex back injury that developed over a long period of time. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; I guess what I am getting at here is: Where you actually serving during 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;August and September of 1984, or did you get injured, recover, and than come 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;back to the award for the tour of duty? It just does not make any sense to 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;me, which leads me to doubt your words. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Keep in mind, I know I didn't serve in the military, and understand the 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;difference. However, I grew up on military bases, and studied the military 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;most my youth and had planned entering in it most my life until about 23 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;years old. I tried to get into the military 5 times, and almost did, but I 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;have a rare kidney illness that is fatal to 25% of the people that have it 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and does not have a cure. You always have all you live, it lies dormant, or 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;it doesn't and kills you. The military refused to accept that risk. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; In terms of a wager, I have moral problems with using money. But I will 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;bet you this. If you can find me five people that you served with you to 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;state the same things that you proclaim about Clark, and served under Clark, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;that say he was a "bad commander, a pompous ass, and only out for 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;advancement of his career", I will wash your car once a week for 5 weeks. If 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;not, you wash my car once a week for 5 weeks. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Here are the conditions. If you find me five, you win, if you don't I win. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;In order to confirm, I want them to call me and email me a scanned copy of 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;their military ID. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Do you except? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Donovan J Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: Thomas Hansen 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: 'Donovan Arnold' , Thomas Hansen , thansen@moscow.com, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;dmcourtn@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:15:53 -0700 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;WHAT?!?!?! Where (in the HELL) did you get the idea that Colonel Clark 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;kicked me out of the Army? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Do you understand what "end of tour" means. A "tour of duty" starts when 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;you sign into a unit and ends when you sign out of that unit either for 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;separation purposes or (as in my case) to report to your next assignment 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;(mine being Company D, 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry (Mechanized), Harvey 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Barracks, Kitzingen, Germany). 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;My judgement of Clark's character is not only based on the month from his 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;arrival to my departure, but the next six months whereupon some close 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;friends of mine requested reassignment. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Now, if you wish to discuss the reasons for their requests, I am 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;perfectly 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;open for that discussion. Although, you may not like what I have to pass 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;on 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;from what my friends have told me. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Tom Hansen 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-----Original Message----- 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com] 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:07 AM 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;To: tomh@uidaho.edu; thansen@moscow.com; dmcourtn@moscow.com; 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;vision2020@moscow.com 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Tom, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I have no doubt that you were at the base in September. But if you left 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;September of 1984 and Clark took over in August 1984, I see little of how 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;well you make any judgement of character. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I would bet, that you were not under the command of Clark for more than 5 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;or 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;6 weeks. Are you mad at Clark because he kicked you out of the military? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;What did you do? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Donovan J Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: Thomas Hansen 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;To: 'Donovan Arnold' , thansen@moscow.com, dmcourtn@moscow.com, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;vision2020@moscow.com 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: Open Wager to Mr. Arnold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:56:29 -0700 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Mr. Arnold - 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;You appear to be so certain about your claims that I openly lied to 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;forum. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;I have a little wager for you. You name the amount (and make it worth 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;my 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;while). We will have a reliable person (a subscriber to this list) hold 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;the 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;funds. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;If I should be able to provide (through the miracle of scanning a copy) 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;photo of me (then SFC Hansen) receiving the Army Commendation Medal, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;oak leaf cluster (end-of-tour award), from Colonel Wesley Clark at a 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;formation in September 1984, would that suffice? Or would you prefer 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;DNA? 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Waiting, 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Tom Hansen 
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