[Vision2020] Slavery and War in Iraq
amy smoucha
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Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:56:03 -0500
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Rwiza,
I think there are a lot of us out here who are disturbed and concerned by
recent posts to the listserve. Many people are not participating in the
debate, because it is such an endless word game, and because it's hard to
see any way to have real communication with the Douglas Wilson folks.
Some of the horrible posts about having slaves were ill-humored pranks. The
rest--defending or redefining American slavery as an institution that has
been misunderstood by history--is ill-informed and dangerous rhetoric.
Please don't take our silence as tacit approval, as many people simply do
not want to participate in the circular arguments with local
theologian/historians.
Northern Idaho has a history of struggles with extremist points of view, and
with ideologies that foster hatred--and violence--towards people of color
and gays and lesbians. I haven't lived here long, but what I've seen
here--especially on this list serve--made me research that history. I
recommend some books: "Hate Is My Neighbor" and "Blood In the Face." I've
leant them out, so don't have the authors/citations handy. Also, the YWCA
in Lewiston is hosting a discussion about Bill Wassmuth on Oct. 29. He was
a local leader who worked to oppose groups promoting white supremacy and
hatred in the Northwest, especially in the Spokane-Coeur d'Alene area.
I don't want to debate whether anyone is defending slavery or promoting
violence towards those of us who are gay or lesbian--and I won't debate. I
do believe, however, that many people on this list and in this community
want an inclusive, diverse and respectful community. We have many
alternatives-both to Wilson's ideology and to endless debate.
Amy Smoucha
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To: gdickison@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Slavery and War in Iraq
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:15:38 +0000
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">There is no need of being Politically Correct now! A lot of emails were sent to vission2020 talking about how good slavery was and one even wishing to own a slave or two
.. (I can forward the email to you if you dont believe me. This could have been a joke). Some visionaries conveyed an impression that slavery was not so bad Slaves were treated humanly etc etc .. ..slavery in the South was not as bad as it is made out to be etc.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The Visionaries who support slavery, let us know your stand on the war in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Do you support freeing the people of <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>?</P>
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<DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows----
<DIV></DIV>From: "Gregory Dickison" <GDICKISON@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>To: "katetegeilwe rwiza" <RWIZA@HOTMAIL.COM>, <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Slavery and War in Iraq
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:47:17 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>Dear Rwiza:
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<DIV></DIV>I think your question will have to go unanswered. To my knowledge, there are no "slavery supporters" on this list, or in Moscow. That institution is, thankfully, ended in this country.
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<DIV></DIV>Gregory C. Dickison
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<DIV></DIV>From: katetegeilwe rwiza
<DIV></DIV>To: vision2020@moscow.com
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:14 PM
<DIV></DIV>Subject: [Vision2020] Slavery and War in Iraq
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<DIV></DIV>It would be interesting to know the stand of the "slavery supporters" on the war in Iraq. We are now being told that, the major objective for going to war was to "free" the people of Iraq. How can you support "freeing" people in Iraq, but wish to have kept slaves in the USA? Ant this a contradiction?
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