[Vision2020] Spanking vs beating a child
JSullivan
jsullivan@moscow.com
Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:30:23 -0800
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My dad used to tell me, his father told him.... "That is what padding on =
our bottoms was for, a swat, or spanking when needed, one was never to =
strike a child ANYPLACE, but on the bottom, and then only hard enough to =
make an impression" My dad adhered that adage. Now, I can say with all =
honesty, having had a few spankings in my time, there was no harm done =
to me!=20
*chuckling*=20
Well, maybe you had better ask my friends!
Seriously, there is a HUGE difference between a spanking and a beating. =
Good post, Jackie.
Janesta Sullivan
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jackie Woolf=20
To: vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:02 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Spanking vs beating a child
Ruth;
I have read, with some interest, your statistics regarding spanking a =
child
and the "harm" that that causes children. My one word for all you =
have
said and quoted is "bunk". You constantly quote from a Canadian
journal and yet you only go so far in doing that. The study complied =
had
to do with ABUSIVE situations - meaning, children that were BEATEN on
a regular basis, not spanked in a loving, caring, disciplinary way. =20
Of course, beating children will result in the type of people you talk =
about.
Disciplining a child with love and direction results in a healthy well =
adjusted
person that knows there are limits in society.
Most kids who are overweight are NOT kids that have been beaten. They
are kids that have parents that have not shown them limits.
Most kids who are on drugs/alcohol are NOT kids that have been beaten. =
They
are kids that have parents that have not shown them limits.
The list continues.
One other thing you fail to mention in your "efforts" to contvert =
people from
spankers to non-spankers...the type of children this study involves - =
there is no
income, no social standing, no race, no real information regarding the =
people
studied. Or the meaning of "frequency of slapping and spanking during =
childhood=20
and a lifetime prevalence of anxiety disorder, alcohol abuse or =
dependence and externalizing problems." Does this mean one spanking a =
year vs. 20 a month or what?
Nor is the study varified by any other group, either in Canada or the =
US.
No, I do not advocate beating of children; however given that =
"time-outs in a
corner" for periods of time is a very effective way to getting the =
message across=20
to a child that a spanking (at the early years) may, I hold to "Spare =
the rod, spoil
the child". =20
Thank you
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My dad used to tell me, his father told =
him....=20
"That is what padding on our bottoms was for, a swat, or =
spanking when=20
needed, one was never to strike a child ANYPLACE, but on the bottom, and =
then=20
only hard enough to make an impression" My dad adhered that adage. Now, =
I can=20
say with all honesty, having had a few spankings in my time, there was =
no harm=20
done to me! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*chuckling* </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, maybe you had better ask my=20
friends!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seriously, there is a HUGE difference =
between a=20
spanking and a beating. </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good post, Jackie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janesta Sullivan</FONT></DIV>
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2003 10:02=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Spanking =
vs beating=20
a child</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ruth;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have read, with some interest, your statistics regarding =
spanking a=20
child</DIV>
<DIV>and the "harm" that that causes children. My one word for =
all you=20
have</DIV>
<DIV>said and quoted is "bunk". You constantly quote from a=20
Canadian</DIV>
<DIV>journal and yet you only go so far in doing that. The study =
complied had</DIV>
<DIV>to do with ABUSIVE situations - meaning, children that were =
BEATEN=20
on</DIV>
<DIV>a regular basis, not spanked in a loving, caring, disciplinary =
way. =20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Of course, beating children will result in the type of people you =
talk=20
about.</DIV>
<DIV>Disciplining a child with love and direction results in a healthy =
well=20
adjusted</DIV>
<DIV>person that knows there are limits in society.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Most kids who are overweight are NOT kids that have been =
beaten. =20
They</DIV>
<DIV>are kids that have parents that have not shown them limits.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Most kids who are on drugs/alcohol are NOT kids that have been=20
beaten. They</DIV>
<DIV>are kids that have parents that have not shown them limits.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The list continues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One other thing you fail to mention in your "efforts" to contvert =
people=20
from</DIV>
<DIV>spankers to non-spankers...the type of children this study =
involves -=20
there is no</DIV>
<DIV>income, no social standing, no race, no real information =
regarding the=20
people</DIV>
<DIV>studied. Or the meaning of "frequency of slapping and =
spanking=20
during childhood </DIV>
<DIV>and a lifetime prevalence of anxiety disorder, alcohol abuse or=20
dependence and externalizing problems." Does this mean one =
spanking a=20
year vs. 20 a month or what?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nor is the study varified by any other group, either in Canada or =
the=20
US.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No, I do not advocate beating of children; however given that =
"time-outs=20
in a</DIV>
<DIV>corner" for periods of time is a very effective way to =
getting=20
the message across </DIV>
<DIV>to a child that a spanking (at the early years) may, I hold =
to =20
"Spare the rod, spoil</DIV>
<DIV>the child". </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you</DIV>
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