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> From: Sara Anderson <ande1022@uidaho.edu>
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
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> Dan,
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> "Slavery this,
> topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?"
>
> I don't know about you, but I think slavery does matter in the big scheme of
> things. Slavery in the Southern US may have been a "complicated" issue, but
> it is not a complicated moral issue: slavery is wrong. There is no moral
> excuse for one person (of whatever faith or non-faith) to own another. Racial
> diversity may exist amongst Christ Church members. This does not excuse a
> dismissive attitude towards the unspeakable cruelty that slavery necessarily
> creates - and does not erase the context of racism so inextricable with the
> US' history with slavery.
>
> A few weeks ago, there was a letter to the editor of the Argonaut where (and
> I'm paraphrasing) it was stated that if a man beats his wife, this does not
> make the institution of marriage a bad thing. This may be true, but if the
> institution of marriage creates a relationship between a husband and wife that
> gives absolute power to the husband, and abolishes the autonomy of the wife,
> the power differential necessarily leads to abuses. This makes the
> institution itself wrong.
>
> The comparison to slavery is obvious.
>
> - Sara Anderson
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> 1. RE: UI and WSU statements on slavery issue (Tom Hansen)
> 2. Test (Donovan Arnold)
> 3. Question (Dave Tibbals)
> 4. Thoughts on the conference (Carl Westberg)
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> From: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] UI and WSU statements on slavery issue
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> Let me see if I have this straight.
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> The Daily News lied.
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> The Spokesman Review lied.
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> Historians from the University of Idaho, Univesity of Maryland, and Duke
> University all lied.
>
> Presidents of the University of Idaho and Washington State University are
> under misconceptions.
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> And somehow, through all these lies and misconceptions, Wilson and Wilkins
> are misunderstood civic activists on a mission.
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> Being always right must be an awesome burden.
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> Tom Hansen
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>> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
>> Behalf Of Mushroom
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 PM
>> To: Thomas Hansen
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>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI and WSU statements on slavery issue
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>>> Thomas Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Mr. London. I realize that neither UI nor WSU
>>> in any way, shape, form or fashion sponsor such a lecture
>>> and SINCERELY APPRECIATE THEIR RESPECTIVE PRESIDENTS' > FORTHRIGHTNESS.
>>>
>>> From: bill london [mailto:london@moscow.com]
>>> Subject: UI and WSU statements on
>>> slavery issue
>>>
>>> Both the UI and WSU Presidents issued statements
>>> about the slavery issue and the use of UI
>>> facilities FOR A CONFERENCE SPONSORED BY AN ORGANIZATION
>>> SUPPORTING SLAVERY. (Emphasis added by D.C.)
>>
>> I have a hard time appreciating anybody's forthrightness
>> when I feel pretty sure NO organization currently sponsoring
>> a conference at the UI supports slavery.
>>
>> The WSU president has over-reacted. Weeks earlier, the Daily
>> News over-reported (which is a crashingly big euphemism for
>> performed poorly).
>>
>> Some people involved in this have gotten several hours more
>> than their 15-minutes of deserved media attention. Me, I'm
>> only up to 39 seconds.
>>
>> Don Coombs
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> I have recently subscribed to this list serve, "vision2020". While I try
> to follow the local news via the newspaper I am confused as to this
> boycott thing towards some local businesses. I suspect it has something
> to do with Christ Church and their head pastors unorthodox views
> concerning slavery. Could someone on this list give me a concise but
> brief synopsis of the sequence of events leading to this boycott please?
> Not trying to be sarcastic or anything just attempting to understand
> what all the vehemence is directed at.
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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:42:41 -0800
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
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> Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing the
> post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any others
> of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don Coombs
> that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr. Wilson
> is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war curious,
> and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views on
> evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling; Ginger
> or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that black-hearted
> old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
> conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
> community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
> prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know a
> few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
> I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To protect
> his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
> that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
>
>
>
> Carl Westberg Jr.
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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:02:34 -0800
> From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
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> Carl, I couldn't have put it better myself. (should I put a disclaimer
> about this being the sole opinion of the guy who doesn't really align
> himself with any "wing", though I probably lean more to the right?)
>
> It seems that everyone is just looking for something to say about Doug
> Wilson. Whoopidee ding dong. I couldn't tell you if I knew anyone who
> attended Christ Church because I don't know if I know anyone who does,
> and I might recognize Mr. Wilson if we passed on the street, but only
> because the paper seems to run his picture every other day. And I for
> dang sure haven't seen any horns growing out of his head. Slavery this,
> topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?
>
> I guess it just goes to show that Moscow really is a pretty nice place
> to live when most of the arguments are about petty stuff, right?
>
> Livin' and lettin' live,
>
> DC
>
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> On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:43 AM
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
>
>
> Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing
> the
> post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any
> others
> of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don
> Coombs
> that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr.
> Wilson
> is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war
> curious,
> and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views
> on
> evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling;
> Ginger
> or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that
> black-hearted
> old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
> conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
>
> community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
> prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know
> a
> few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
>
> I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To
> protect
> his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
>
> that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Westberg Jr.
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> From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] TALK SHOW 11/16/03: IDAHO CONSERVATION LEAGUE
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> Visionaries,
>
> At 9 a.m. on Sunday 11/16/03 MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS, a talk show on KUOI 89.3 FM
> in Moscow (web audio on KUOI.org) will feature the following guest:
>
> --(9-10 am) Jonathan Oppenheimer, North Idaho Associate of the Idaho
> Conservation League will be in the studio. Oppenheimer will discuss fire
> suppression and logging issues in the Clearwater National Forest, wildlife
> habitat preservation and the mission of the Idaho Conservation League.
>
> (10-11 am) We will finish up the discussion with Jonathan Oppenheimer and
> possibly move on to other topics and open line calls.
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> MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS is aired live every Sunday Morning from 9-11 am on KUOI
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> <DIV>At 9 a.m. on Sunday 11/16/03 MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS, a talk show on KUOI
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> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> --(9-10 am) Jonathan Oppenheimer, North Idaho Associate of
> the Idaho Conservation League will be in the studio.
> Oppenheimer will discuss fire suppression and logging issues in the
> Clearwater National Forest, wildlife habitat preservation and the mission of
> the Idaho Conservation League.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>(10-11 am) We will finish up the discussion with Jonathan Oppenheimer and
> possibly move on to other topics and open line calls.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS is aired live every Sunday Morning from 9-11 am on
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> From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75@moscow.com>
> To: "'Sara Anderson'" <ande1022@uidaho.edu>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:49:41 -0800
>
> Hey, I agree that slavery is bad, don't get me wrong. But, just because
> someone thinks something else about it does not mean we are going to
> allow it to happen again? That would be just plain silly. If it
> existed today, I'd be all for trying to do away with it, but as far as
> Moscow, ID, I don't think we have that problem.
>
> Keep on keepin' on . . .
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Sara Anderson
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:41 PM
> To: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
>
>
> Dan,
>
> "Slavery this,
> topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?"
>
> I don't know about you, but I think slavery does matter in the big
> scheme of things. Slavery in the Southern US may have been a
> "complicated" issue, but it is not a complicated moral issue: slavery is
> wrong. There is no moral excuse for one person (of whatever faith or
> non-faith) to own another. Racial diversity may exist amongst Christ
> Church members. This does not excuse a dismissive attitude towards the
> unspeakable cruelty that slavery necessarily creates - and does not
> erase the context of racism so inextricable with the US' history with
> slavery.
>
> A few weeks ago, there was a letter to the editor of the Argonaut where
> (and I'm paraphrasing) it was stated that if a man beats his wife, this
> does not make the institution of marriage a bad thing. This may be
> true, but if the institution of marriage creates a relationship between
> a husband and wife that gives absolute power to the husband, and
> abolishes the autonomy of the wife, the power differential necessarily
> leads to abuses. This makes the institution itself wrong.
>
> The comparison to slavery is obvious.
>
> - Sara Anderson
>
>
>
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> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
> To: "Sara Anderson" <ande1022@uidaho.edu>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:55:19 -0800
>
> Do you realize that as recent as 20 years ago, Idaho state laws were tougher
> on fishing out of season than they were on drunk driving and spousal abuse.
>
> We've come a long way and we have along way to go.
>
> Take care,
>
> Tom Hansen
> UI '96
>
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>> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
>> Behalf Of Sara Anderson
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:41 PM
>> To: vision2020@moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> "Slavery this,
>> topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?"
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I think slavery does matter in the
>> big scheme of things. Slavery in the Southern US may have been a
>> "complicated" issue, but it is not a complicated moral issue:
>> slavery is wrong. There is no moral excuse for one person (of
>> whatever faith or non-faith) to own another. Racial diversity
>> may exist amongst Christ Church members. This does not excuse a
>> dismissive attitude towards the unspeakable cruelty that slavery
>> necessarily creates - and does not erase the context of racism so
>> inextricable with the US' history with slavery.
>>
>> A few weeks ago, there was a letter to the editor of the Argonaut
>> where (and I'm paraphrasing) it was stated that if a man beats
>> his wife, this does not make the institution of marriage a bad
>> thing. This may be true, but if the institution of marriage
>> creates a relationship between a husband and wife that gives
>> absolute power to the husband, and abolishes the autonomy of the
>> wife, the power differential necessarily leads to abuses. This
>> makes the institution itself wrong.
>>
>> The comparison to slavery is obvious.
>>
>> - Sara Anderson
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:22:12 -0800
> From: Tami Stinebaugh <stin1624@uidaho.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Live and Let Live?
> To: Sara Anderson <ande1022@uidaho.edu>
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
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> This may be true, but if the institution of marriage creates a
>> relationship between a husband and wife that gives absolute power
>> to the husband, and abolishes the autonomy of the wife, the power
>> differential necessarily leads to abuses. >
>> - Sara Anderson
>
> Sara,
>
> Are you saying that the institution of marriage DOES create a relationship
> that gives "absolute power" to the husband, and "abolishes the autonomy of the
> wife?" Or are you saying IF it does that, it could lead to abuse? I'm
> curious, because it seems to me that regardless of being married or not,
> abusive people are creating the problem, not marriage. Just wondering and
> wanting clarification.
>
> Tami Stinebaugh
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> 1. RE: UI and WSU statements on slavery issue (Tom Hansen)
> 2. Test (Donovan Arnold)
> 3. Question (Dave Tibbals)
> 4. Thoughts on the conference (Carl Westberg)
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> From: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] UI and WSU statements on slavery issue
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> Let me see if I have this straight.
>
> The Daily News lied.
>
> The Spokesman Review lied.
>
> Historians from the University of Idaho, Univesity of Maryland, and Duke
> University all lied.
>
> Presidents of the University of Idaho and Washington State University are
> under misconceptions.
>
> And somehow, through all these lies and misconceptions, Wilson and Wilkins
> are misunderstood civic activists on a mission.
>
> Being always right must be an awesome burden.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
>> Behalf Of Mushroom
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:33 PM
>> To: Thomas Hansen
>> Cc: Vision2020
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI and WSU statements on slavery issue
>>
>>
>>> Thomas Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Mr. London. I realize that neither UI nor WSU
>>> in any way, shape, form or fashion sponsor such a lecture
>>> and SINCERELY APPRECIATE THEIR RESPECTIVE PRESIDENTS' > FORTHRIGHTNESS.
>>>
>>> From: bill london [mailto:london@moscow.com]
>>> Subject: UI and WSU statements on
>>> slavery issue
>>>
>>> Both the UI and WSU Presidents issued statements
>>> about the slavery issue and the use of UI
>>> facilities FOR A CONFERENCE SPONSORED BY AN ORGANIZATION
>>> SUPPORTING SLAVERY. (Emphasis added by D.C.)
>>
>> I have a hard time appreciating anybody's forthrightness
>> when I feel pretty sure NO organization currently sponsoring
>> a conference at the UI supports slavery.
>>
>> The WSU president has over-reacted. Weeks earlier, the Daily
>> News over-reported (which is a crashingly big euphemism for
>> performed poorly).
>>
>> Some people involved in this have gotten several hours more
>> than their 15-minutes of deserved media attention. Me, I'm
>> only up to 39 seconds.
>>
>> Don Coombs
>>
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Test
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> I have recently subscribed to this list serve, "vision2020". While I try
> to follow the local news via the newspaper I am confused as to this
> boycott thing towards some local businesses. I suspect it has something
> to do with Christ Church and their head pastors unorthodox views
> concerning slavery. Could someone on this list give me a concise but
> brief synopsis of the sequence of events leading to this boycott please?
> Not trying to be sarcastic or anything just attempting to understand
> what all the vehemence is directed at.
>
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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:42:41 -0800
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> Subject: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
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> Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing the
> post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any others
> of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don Coombs
> that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr. Wilson
> is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war curious,
> and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views on
> evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling; Ginger
> or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that black-hearted
> old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
> conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
> community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
> prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know a
> few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
> I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To protect
> his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
> that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
>
>
>
> Carl Westberg Jr.
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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:02:34 -0800
> From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75@moscow.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
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> Carl, I couldn't have put it better myself. (should I put a disclaimer
> about this being the sole opinion of the guy who doesn't really align
> himself with any "wing", though I probably lean more to the right?)
>
> It seems that everyone is just looking for something to say about Doug
> Wilson. Whoopidee ding dong. I couldn't tell you if I knew anyone who
> attended Christ Church because I don't know if I know anyone who does,
> and I might recognize Mr. Wilson if we passed on the street, but only
> because the paper seems to run his picture every other day. And I for
> dang sure haven't seen any horns growing out of his head. Slavery this,
> topless that, does any of it really matter in the big scheme of things?
>
> I guess it just goes to show that Moscow really is a pretty nice place
> to live when most of the arguments are about petty stuff, right?
>
> Livin' and lettin' live,
>
> DC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Thoughts on the conference
>
>
> Disclaimer: the following is the sole opinion of the liberal writing
> the
> post, and in no way should be thought to reflect the opinions of any
> others
> of his ilk, living or dead, real or fictional.....I agree with Don
> Coombs
> that this has been blown out of proportion. I do not think that Mr.
> Wilson
> is a racist. I do find his beliefs on slavery and the civil war
> curious,
> and I do disagree with them, vigorously. I also disagree with his views
> on
> evolution; topless car washes; and probably more taste, less filling;
> Ginger
> or Maryanne; Wilma or Betty, but I can't equate him with that
> black-hearted
> old man in Hayden. Slavery will no doubt be an issue during this
> conference, but, as other people have written earlier, this is a diverse
>
> community, existing in a diverse world, and, as Rob Keenan pointed out,
> prior restraint ain't a good thing. On a related note, I happen to know
> a
> few members of Christ Church, and despite our philosophical differences,
>
> I've even had a few beers from time to time with one of them. To
> protect
> his innocence, I will not reveal his name, but I was shocked to discover
>
> that he's not a bad guy.....for a conservative, of course.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Westberg Jr.
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> Subject: [Vision2020] TALK SHOW 11/16/03: IDAHO CONSERVATION LEAGUE
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> Visionaries,
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> At 9 a.m. on Sunday 11/16/03 MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS, a talk show on KUOI 89.3 FM
> in Moscow (web audio on KUOI.org) will feature the following guest:
>
> --(9-10 am) Jonathan Oppenheimer, North Idaho Associate of the Idaho
> Conservation League will be in the studio. Oppenheimer will discuss fire
> suppression and logging issues in the Clearwater National Forest, wildlife
> habitat preservation and the mission of the Idaho Conservation League.
>
> (10-11 am) We will finish up the discussion with Jonathan Oppenheimer and
> possibly move on to other topics and open line calls.
>
> MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS is aired live every Sunday Morning from 9-11 am on KUOI
> 89.3 FM and streamed live via the internet on KUOI's website(KUOI.org)
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> Call in phone #'s: 885-6392 or 885-6393
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> Anyone with comments, questions or suggestions for guests can send e-mail to:
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> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> --(9-10 am) Jonathan Oppenheimer, North Idaho Associate of
> the Idaho Conservation League will be in the studio.
> Oppenheimer will discuss fire suppression and logging issues in the
> Clearwater National Forest, wildlife habitat preservation and the mission of
> the Idaho Conservation League.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>(10-11 am) We will finish up the discussion with Jonathan Oppenheimer and
> possibly move on to other topics and open line calls.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>MOSCOW MORNING VIEWS is aired live every Sunday Morning from 9-11 am on
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