[Vision2020] Devisiveness Must Stop
Joshua Nieuwsma
joshuahendrik@yahoo.com
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:37:43 -0800 (PST)
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Dear Mr. Meyer,
Please be so kind as to get facts right before making charges. I refer specifically to these sentence: To be blunt, until Logos accepts all students, including those with serious mental, physical, and behavioral handicaps, then those vocal group members have absolutely nothing to say worth hearing about the cost of public education. Mr. Meyers, while I attended Logos I recall there being a "disadvantaged" child that attended school there for at least a year. He was definitely handicapped (needed help walking for one thing). If you doubt the veracity of this eye-witness account in the same spirit that you accuse others of having all the appearance of evil whether they are truly good or not, I encourage you to contact the school superintendent, Mr. Tom Garfield. But as to the idea that group members aren't allowed to comment on the cost of public education if they don't provide complete services, that is ridiculous anyhow. Is someone that doesn't drive a car unable to comment !
on road
safety? You might as well go live in the time of Krushchev or something if you want to place that sort of censureship upon a person's right to comment critically about an institution that he pays for.
As a Logos graduate, I am naturally defensive of attacks upon that most excellent institution, which regularly performs far above the quality of the local government school and at a cost much lower. example: Average ACT scores. The 2003 graduating class of MHS was 191 students. 82% of these took the ACT. Their collective score was 23.2 . From any reasonable perspective (I.E. assuming that the class wasn't a bunch of nit-wits, easy to assume given the number of students) this class is not at all prepared for college. My graduating class of 2002 graduating class had 21 students. Almost everyone took the ACT (I don't know the exact number). Our collective score was 28.9. Lest it be thought that the class was a bunch of brains, the class before mine was about 28 ACT. The average ACT score of graduates of MHS is 23.2, with 82% of the class taking it. With that sort of appalling record, I think Logos associates and alumni have alot to say about district schools. If anything, the
taxpayer-supported school ought to be asking for advice to improve their education.
How about the National Merit Finalist statistics? I don't believe a logos class (always averaging around 20 students) has ever failed to produce at least 1 NMF. That's an average of about 5% per year. In 2003 MHS, out of 191 students, produced 1 national merit finalist. Hmmm... although more data is needed, one would think that such an excellent educational system (which needs more money to be more excellent) would have produced at least 9 national merit finalists, if their classes are comparable to Logos'. But alas, they only produced 1 as well.
My sources: http://www.homefair.com/homefair/usr/nsrs/sorder.html?NETSCAPE_LIVEWIRE.src=yahoo&state=ID&countyid=29 to enter in your information and get a free report of the public school district. http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/ActionServlet?pid=187&cid=yahoo&art=schoolFAQ tells you their method of receiving and reporting information.
Logos School has approximately a 20:1 student teacher ratio. MHS has a 13:1 student teacher ratio. Logos produces high quality students that rarely fail to enter the university of their choice (i.e. Princeton, Washington&Lee, Georgia Tech, etc.) and average around 28 on the ACT (about 80% of total possible score). MHS produces students that score a 64% of total score on the ACT or a measly 23.2.
Mr. Meyer, you said: They whine about taxes but offer no productive solutions. Logos is clearly a productive solution to the problem of good education in the Moscow community. And it is run despite the taxes that each parent pays for another school which is trashing its students while begging (literally). Logos is a Christian school, but that does not keep students out by definition. It merely means that Logos has standards, it means that Logos is a business and the students are there to work. Students with a clear pattern of disobedience and rebellion against teachers and people in authority are kept out of Logos because if their parents can't train them, it is not worth Logos' effort to try, and unfair to those students who are working hard and do not want to be distracted. I know, I have experienced Logos as well as a publically funded school in Washington. The main requirement for entering Logos is the willingness to abide by Logos standards of excellence, quality, and h!
onesty.
Which are things MHS would do well to imitate.
sincerely,
Joshua Nieuwsma
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<DIV>Dear Mr. Meyer,</DIV>
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<DIV>Please be so kind as to get facts right before making charges. I refer specifically to these sentence:<EM> To be blunt, until Logos accepts <STRONG>all students</STRONG>, including those with serious mental, physical, and behavioral handicaps, then <STRONG>those vocal group members have absolutely nothing to say worth hearing about the cost of public education</STRONG>. </EM>Mr. Meyers, while I attended Logos I recall there being a "disadvantaged" child that attended school there for at least a year. He was definitely handicapped (needed help walking for one thing). If you doubt the veracity of this eye-witness account in the same spirit that you accuse others of having all the appearance of evil whether they are truly good or not, I encourage you to contact the school superintendent, Mr. Tom Garfield. But as to the idea that group members aren't allowed to comment on the cost of public education if they don't provide complete services, that is ridiculous anyhow. I!
s someone
that doesn't drive a car unable to comment on road safety? You might as well go live in the time of Krushchev or something if you want to place that sort of censureship upon a person's right to comment critically about an institution that he pays for.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As a Logos graduate, I am naturally defensive of attacks upon that most excellent institution, which regularly performs far above the quality of the local government school and at a cost much lower. example: Average ACT scores. The 2003 graduating class of MHS was 191 students. 82% of these took the ACT. <STRONG>Their collective score was 23.2</STRONG> . From any reasonable perspective (I.E. assuming that the class wasn't a bunch of nit-wits, easy to assume given the number of students) this class is not at all prepared for college. My graduating class of 2002 graduating class had 21 students. Almost everyone took the ACT (I don't know the exact number). <STRONG>Our collective score was 28.9</STRONG>. Lest it be thought that the class was a bunch of brains, the class before mine was about 28 ACT. <STRONG>The average ACT score of graduates of MHS is 23.2, with 82% of the class taking it.</STRONG> With that sort of appalli!
ng
record, I think Logos associates and alumni have alot to say about district schools. If anything, the taxpayer-supported school ought to be asking for advice to improve their education. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How about the National Merit Finalist statistics? I don't believe a logos class (always averaging around 20 students) has ever failed to produce at least 1 NMF. That's an average of about 5% per year. In 2003 MHS, out of 191 students, produced 1 national merit finalist. Hmmm... although more data is needed, one would think that such an <EM>excellent</EM> educational system (which needs more money to be more excellent) would have produced at least 9 national merit finalists, if their classes are comparable to Logos'. But alas, they only produced 1 as well.</DIV>
<P>My sources: <A href="http://www.homefair.com/homefair/usr/nsrs/sorder.html?NETSCAPE_LIVEWIRE.src=yahoo&state=ID&countyid=29">http://www.homefair.com/homefair/usr/nsrs/sorder.html?NETSCAPE_LIVEWIRE.src=yahoo&state=ID&countyid=29</A> to enter in your information and get a free report of the public school district. <A href="http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/ActionServlet?pid=187&cid=yahoo&art=schoolFAQ">http://www.homefair.com/homefair/servlet/ActionServlet?pid=187&cid=yahoo&art=schoolFAQ</A> tells you their method of receiving and reporting information.</P>
<DIV>Logos School has approximately a 20:1 student teacher ratio. MHS has a 13:1 student teacher ratio. Logos produces high quality students that rarely fail to enter the university of their choice (i.e. Princeton, Washington&Lee, Georgia Tech, etc.) and average around 28 on the ACT (about 80% of total possible score). MHS produces students that score a 64% of total score on the ACT or a measly 23.2. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Meyer, you said: <EM>They whine about taxes but offer no productive solutions. </EM>Logos is clearly a productive solution to the problem of good education in the Moscow community. And it is run despite the taxes that each parent pays for another school which is trashing its students while begging (literally). Logos is a Christian school, but that does not keep students out by definition. It merely means that Logos has standards, it means that Logos is a business and the students are there to work. Students with a clear pattern of disobedience and rebellion against teachers and people in authority are kept out of Logos because if their parents can't train them, it is not worth Logos' effort to try, and unfair to those students who are working hard and do not want to be distracted. I know, I have experienced Logos as well as a publically funded school in Washington. The main requirement for entering Logos is the willingness to abide by Logos standards of excellence, !
quality,
and honesty. Which are things MHS would do well to imitate.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>sincerely,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joshua Nieuwsma</DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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