[Vision2020] News Article, Mental Illness, Fixation of Belief Discussion

Thu, 22 May 2003 08:56:05 -0400

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Wayne Fox again:
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The statements in religious creeds are knowledge claims and subject to
the same tests and criticisms that other knowledge claims are.  Internal
logical consistency is the most basic of those tests.
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I=92m more than willing to let this thread die (and I have answered
Wayne=92s =93dilemma=94 in at least five different ways), but I still =
find it
humorous that Wayne is so quick to see all others as rabidly religious
and fantasizing, but refuses to give us a reason for believing that
Reason is the supreme authority, even when his own relativism about
logic undermines it. I have never seen anyone as rabid in refusing even
to consider challenges to his god. Certainly none of the religious
people of any faith that I know act that narrowly and rabidly. Wayne=92s
continuing appeal to Reason as a neutral arbiter is like a Muslim
insisting that the Koran =93is the most basic test=94 of truth of all =
other
faiths. When you ask Wayne why, he just cites his Koran again. Not very
enlightening or profound. Just rabid. And yet he=92s the expert on =
mental
illness. Very odd and unreflective, this secular fundamentalism. =20
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No one ever asked him to believe contradictions, just to provide an
argument for why his particular god should unquestioningly rule the
others.  Wayne just keeps pounding the table that his god is god.
Question authority, I say. All of them.=20
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Doug Jones
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are
knowledge claims and subject to the same tests and criticisms that other
knowledge claims are.&nbsp; Internal logical consistency is&nbsp;the =
most
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I&#8217;m more than willing to =
let this
thread die (and I have answered Wayne&#8217;s &#8220;dilemma&#8221; in =
at least
five different ways), but I still find it humorous that Wayne is so =
quick to see
all others as rabidly religious and fantasizing, but refuses to give us =
a
reason for believing that Reason is the supreme authority, even when his =
own relativism
about logic undermines it. I have never seen anyone as rabid in refusing =
even to
consider challenges to his god. Certainly none of the religious people =
of any
faith that I know act that narrowly and rabidly. =
<st1:City><st1:place>Wayne</st1:place></st1:City>&#8217;s continuing appeal to =
Reason as a
neutral arbiter is like a Muslim insisting that the Koran &#8220;is the =
most
basic test&#8221; of truth of all other faiths. When you ask =
<st1:City><st1:place>Wayne</st1:place></st1:City> why, he just cites his Koran =
again. Not
very enlightening or profound. Just rabid. And yet he&#8217;s the expert =
on
mental illness. Very odd and unreflective, this secular fundamentalism. =
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No one ever asked him to believe
contradictions, just to provide an argument for why his particular god =
should
unquestioningly rule the others. =A0<st1:City><st1:place><=
font
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that his
god is god. =A0Question =
authority, I say. All
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