[Vision2020] News Article, Mental Illness, Fixation of Belief Discussion

[Mark Rounds]

You guys have way too much free time ......


Mark Rounds

At 11:13 AM 5/20/2003 -0400, Doug Jones wrote:
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>Wayne Fox has now agreed that logic is not a supreme universal,
>objective, unchanging norm for adjudicating truth and falsity (like in
>the old days) but only a culturally relative, probable, historically
>changeable set of rules that can, nonetheless, be used with the greatest
>moral authority to discern and denounce mental illness like a Stalinist
>prophet, a prophet whose key weapon, logical necessity, is invisible,
>though Wayne assures us he is a strict empiricist. 
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>So again, Wayne, why do we have to bow to your invisible god of mere
>grammatical authority? When did something like grammar gain the moral
>authority to pronounce so fiercely on truth, reality, and mental
>illness? Why should anyone care what reality grammar dictates? Are you
>really willing to institutionalize those who threaten your grammar god?
>Sheesh. And you have the nerve to call us crazy? 
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>> Did you sleep through the History of Philosophy?  I am not a
>rationalist but
>> an empiricist.  Rationalists were those that believed in immutable
>truths
>> discoverable by logical processes as opposed to observational
>processes
>> (prone, unfortunately to error) alone.
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>Sometimes the terms are used in such an exclusive manner, sometimes not.
>Both groups appeal to reason as the ultimate court of appeal, and so
>both are little "r" rationalists. It would certainly strengthen your
>case to be a big "r" rationalist. At least those Rationalists had a
>serious notion of logical necessity they could invoke. Your appeal to
>observational processes to ground logical necessity only digs your
>logical relativism deeper. Where have you observed logical necessity?
>Show us how logical necessity could show up in a lab experiment. This is
>just the Humean challenge pressed where Hume was too chicken to go.
>Please answer it for us. All your lies about local Christianity rest
>upon an answer to this sort of question. Make sure your emperor is well
>clothed.
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>Doug Jones
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