[Vision2020] MSD financial condition

Van Deventer, Jack jack@wsu.edu
Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:38:55 -0800


Why don't you compare things more comparable?  Like MSD's budget vs. St.
Mary's, Logos, Pullman Christian, etc.?  How can these other educational
entities provide a vastly better education with so much less money?

Q: "You make it sound like only education is spiraling out of control w/no
reason."
A:  That MSD expenses are spiraling out of control is a given.  Whatever the
reason, a superior education is certainly not one of MSD's outcomes.

Jack
________________________
Jack Van Deventer
jack@wsu.edu 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debbie Gray [mailto:dgray@uidaho.edu]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:32 AM
> To: Dale Courtney
> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] MSD financial condition
> 
> 
> Dale,
> 
> I am posting this again, just to put the education budget in 
> context with
> the other budgets. Notice that education increases are lower than any
> other category. You make it sound like only education is 
> spiraling out of
> control w/no reason. Why are the other budgets growing so 
> dramatically?
> 
> >From the 'Idaho 2002 Fiscal Facts' available at:
> http://www.jfac.state.id.us/
> 
> General Fund Appropriations (in millions of dollars)
> 					Annual%	Total%
> By functional area	FY1993	FY2002	Change	Change
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Education		709.1	1264.0	5.9%	 78.2%
> Health/Human Srvcs	168.2	 378.2	8.4%	124.8%
> Public Safety		 63.2	 188.9	11.6%	198.9%
> Natural Resources	 19.1	  39.1	 7.5%	105.2%
> Economic Development	  5.9	  20.6	13.4%	251.7%
> General Government	 41.7	  77.2	 6.4%	 85.2%
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Total			$1007.1	 $1967.9 6.9%   95.4%
> (may not add due to rounding)
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Dale Courtney wrote:
> 
> > Matt,
> >
> > The problem is, the Idaho State Education Budget has grown 
> at a rate of over
> > two times the inflation rate!
> >
> > Here's the scoop:
> >
> > *	From 1988 ($367M) to 2003 ($985.5), the Idaho State 
> Education budget
> > has increased 168.5%
> > *	From 1988 to 2003, the inflation rate has been 57.04%
> >
> > What the liberals are lying about is that Idaho State has 
> cut funding; or
> > that Idaho State has cut inflation-corrected funding. That's a lie.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dale
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
> > Behalf Of Matt
> > Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 07:14
> > To: vision2020@moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] MSD financial condition
> >
> >
> > That does not seem too far out of line, given inflation. 
> The Dept of Labor
> > has a nifty inflation calculator at
> > <http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/statistics/inflation.htm>
> > http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/statistics/inflation.htm. 
> Entering $1000 in
> > 1989 gives $1476 in 2003. Going the other way, a thousand 
> dollars today was
> > just $677 in 1989. You only need to go back to 1985 to get 
> to the alleged
> > 170% funding level quoted below.
> > --
> > M@ Lat: 46.74767 Lon: -116.99523 ^_^
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
> > Behalf Of Dale Courtney
> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:27 AM
> > State Funding has increased every year since 1989, and is 
> now at 170% of the
> > 1989 funding level.
> >
> >
> 
> Debbie
> 
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