[Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed to be "Free "?

Thomas Hansen tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu
Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:03:38 -0800


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I tend to agree.  "Free" only means that somebody else pays for it.
 
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Courtney [mailto:dale@courtneys.us]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:08 AM
To: 'Dan Carscallen'; 'John Harrell'; 'Vision2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed to be "Free"?


I hate to break this to you, but we spent $985,500,000 for the Idaho
Government Schools in 2003. 

That's *anything* but "free".

It would be more accurate to say that we don't charge a tuition for the
$985,500,000 worth of education that we give away. 

But, for accuracy, it's *anything* but free!  

Best,
Dale
TANSTAAFL (There ain't no such thing as a free lunch)


 

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Dan Carscallen
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2003 07:01
To: John Harrell; Vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed to be "Free"?


John, 
 
I never said it was free, I said it was "free" (i.e. we don't pay tuition,
but I'm not so unedumacated that I don't realize I already pay for it --
heck, why do you think I use it?).
 
puttin' enough words in my own mouth,
 
DC
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John  <mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com> Harrell 
To: John Danahy <mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com>  ; Vision2020
<mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>  ; predator75@moscow.com
<mailto:predator75@moscow.com>  
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed to be "Free"?

Whoa!

John Danahy and Dan Carscallen are making the claim that Public Education
is supposed to free.

I help pay for public education, and not by my choice.

The money is forcibly taken from me and then given to only one of the five 
educational systems that everyone here on this board has agreed that exist.

I still don't understand that when there are five choices that parents can 
make regarding educating their children, I am forced to help pay for one of 
those. I dont get any choice as to where my money goes.

No, all education should be "tuition" based. Let the best educational 
choice win!

I am pro-choice for education.

Cheers!
John Harrell


--- John Danahy < jdanahy@turbonet.com <mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com> >
wrote:
> 
> I did send an e-mail off to the district to try and get some answers to
> the questions posted here and others.  No answer yet.  Some of my
> questions were regarding the quality of summer school classes.  For
> example, a student who fails second semester US History, and takes
> summer school to make it up, is he getting an equivalent class or some
> generic social studies classes designed to provide a passing grade?
> 
> I do not have a problem charging fees for classes offered outside of the
> regular school year offerings, but I have a severe problem with a
> district evaluating a student as deficient and assigning him to summer
> school, and then charging a fee. Never mind the obvious conflict of
> interest embedded in this framework, public school education is supposed
> to be free.  I also have a real and negative reaction to the idea of
> charging JH and HS students for generic classes that supposedly pass as
> equivalent course work. But then, why should HS students pay for generic
> HS classes when they can pay for college courses any time of the year.
> 
> More importantly, I have a most negative reaction to the idea of any
> school district charging fees to make summer school "self sufficient"
> while other extra curricular activities are funded with education
> dollars.  Clearly in this district education plays second fiddle.
> 
> John
> jdanahy@turbonet.com <mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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<DIV><SPAN class=986000316-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I tend 
to agree.&nbsp; "Free" only means that somebody else pays for 
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=986000316-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=986000316-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tom 
Hansen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=986000316-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Moscow, Idaho</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dale Courtney 
  [mailto:dale@courtneys.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:08 
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Dan Carscallen'; 'John Harrell'; 
  'Vision2020'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is 
  supposed to be "Free"?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=018270515-25032003>
  <P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I hate to break this to you, but we 
  spent $985,500,000 for&nbsp;<SPAN class=018270515-25032003>the 
  </SPAN>Idaho&nbsp;<SPAN class=018270515-25032003>Government </SPAN>Schools in 
  2003. </FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>That's *anything* but 
  "free"<SPAN class=018270515-25032003>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>It would be more accurate 
  to say that we don't charge a tuition for the $985,500,000 worth of 
  education<SPAN class=018270515-25032003> that we give away. 
  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>But, for accuracy, it's 
  *anything* but free!<SPAN class=018270515-25032003>&nbsp; 
  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best,<BR>Dale<BR>TANSTAAFL (There 
  ain't no such thing as a free lunch)</FONT></P></SPAN><SPAN 
  class=018270515-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=018270515-25032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On 
    Behalf Of </B>Dan Carscallen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 25 March, 2003 
    07:01<BR><B>To:</B> John Harrell; Vision2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
    [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed to be 
    "Free"?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>John, </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I never said it was free, I said it was "free" (i.e. we don't pay 
    tuition, but I'm not so unedumacated that I don't realize I already pay for 
    it --&nbsp;heck, why do you think I use it?).</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>puttin' enough words in my own mouth,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>DC</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- 
    <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A 
    title=johnbharrell@yahoo.com href="mailto:johnbharrell@yahoo.com">John 
    Harrell</A> </DIV>
    <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jdanahy@turbonet.com 
    href="mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com">John Danahy</A> ; <A 
    title=vision2020@moscow.com 
    href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020</A> ; <A 
    title=predator75@moscow.com 
    href="mailto:predator75@moscow.com">predator75@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2003 9:19 PM</DIV>
    <DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] "Free"? Public education is supposed 
    to be "Free"?</DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Whoa!<BR><BR>John Danahy and Dan Carscallen are making the 
    claim that Public Education<BR>is supposed to free.<BR><BR>I help pay for 
    public education, and not by my choice.<BR><BR>The money is forcibly taken 
    from me and then given to only one of the five <BR>educational systems that 
    everyone here on this board has agreed that exist.<BR><BR>I still don't 
    understand that when there are five choices that parents can <BR>make 
    regarding educating their children, I am forced to help pay for one of 
    <BR>those. I dont get any choice as to where my money goes.<BR><BR>No, all 
    education should be "tuition" based. Let the best educational <BR>choice 
    win!<BR><BR>I am pro-choice for education.<BR><BR>Cheers!<BR>John 
    Harrell<BR><BR><BR>--- John Danahy &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com">jdanahy@turbonet.com</A>&gt; 
    wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I did send an e-mail off to the district to try and 
    get some answers to<BR>&gt; the questions posted here and others.&nbsp; No 
    answer yet.&nbsp; Some of my<BR>&gt; questions were regarding the quality of 
    summer school classes.&nbsp; For<BR>&gt; example, a student who fails second 
    semester US History, and takes<BR>&gt; summer school to make it up, is he 
    getting an equivalent class or some<BR>&gt; generic social studies classes 
    designed to provide a passing grade?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I do not have a 
    problem charging fees for classes offered outside of the<BR>&gt; regular 
    school year offerings, but I have a severe problem with a<BR>&gt; district 
    evaluating a student as deficient and assigning him to summer<BR>&gt; 
    school, and then charging a fee. Never mind the obvious conflict of<BR>&gt; 
    interest embedded in this framework, public school education is 
    supposed<BR>&gt; to be free.&nbsp; I also have a real and negative reaction 
    to the idea of<BR>&gt; charging JH and HS students for generic classes that 
    supposedly pass as<BR>&gt; equivalent course work. But then, why should HS 
    students pay for generic<BR>&gt; HS classes when they can pay for college 
    courses any time of the year.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; More importantly, I have a 
    most negative reaction to the idea of any<BR>&gt; school district charging 
    fees to make summer school "self sufficient"<BR>&gt; while other extra 
    curricular activities are funded with education<BR>&gt; dollars.&nbsp; 
    Clearly in this district education plays second fiddle.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    John<BR>&gt; <A 
    href="mailto:jdanahy@turbonet.com">jdanahy@turbonet.com</A><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
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