[Vision2020] Liberal Thinking
ben merkle
benmerkle@moscow.com
Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:08:07 -0800
> Doesn't the argument work just as well the opposite direction, though?
You
> seem to be maintaining that a woman's breasts are *always* sexual, Islam
is
> *always* warlike and hideous, boys *always* hit harder than girls:
doesn't
> that just shift the gravymaking?
>
> Melynda Huskey
Melynda asks if the gravy flows the other way just as easily. Of course not.
Many Muslims don't blow themselves up. As evidence, see the continuing
existence of the Arabic world. There will always be the occasional girl
athlete that keeps the rest of the boys humble. And it shouldn't take much
to notice that sexuality isn't always dished out evenly. The whole point is
that Trinitarians expect to see unity and diversity blended in inexplicable
ways throughout creation. For a tremendous example of this bizarre tension,
just look at the forty toes of my children (# 4, our new daughter Hero, is
now two weeks old). Each one is most definitely a Merkle toe. And yet each
one shouts his individuality from the mountain tops. What else would we
expect from the Triune God?
Ben Merkle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melynda Huskey" <mghuskey@hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Thinking
> Ben says:
>
> "All attributes have to blend into one homogenous colorless, odorless,
> tasteless gravy. So we all have to pretend that a woman's breasts are no
> different than a man's. We all have to pretend that Islam's cries for
Jihad
> and doctrines of marriage are as peaceful and lovely as Christ's command
to
> a husband to sacrifice his life for his wife's. We all have to pretend
that
> girls hit as hard as boys."
>
> Doesn't the argument work just as well the opposite direction, though?
You
> seem to be maintaining that a woman's breasts are *always* sexual, Islam
is
> *always* warlike and hideous, boys *always* hit harder than girls:
doesn't
> that just shift the gravymaking?
>
> Melynda Huskey
>
>
> "We utterly deny all outward wars and strife, and fightings with outward
> weapons, for any end, or under any pretense whatsoever: this is our
> testimony to the whole world."
> Quaker Declaration of 1660
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "ben merkle" <benmerkle@moscow.com>
> >To: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
> >CC: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Thinking
> >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:52:34 -0800
> >
> >Ted,
> >There has been much debate over what the official / non-official
connection
> >is between Logos, Christ Church, the Bonhom, the Pilgrims,
neo-Platonists,
> >the faked lunar landings and that mysterious character on the grassy
knoll.
> >But the most important common thread that is being overlooked is
> >Trinitarianism. As your last post demonstrates, LIBERAL THINKING (as you
> >spell it) wants all distinctions boiled out. All attributes have to blend
> >into one homogenous colorless, odorless, tasteless gravy. So we all have
to
> >pretend that a woman's breasts are no different than a man's. We all have
> >to
> >pretend that Islam's cries for Jihad and doctrines of marriage are as
> >peaceful and lovely as Christ's command to a husband to sacrifice his
life
> >for his wife's. We all have to pretend that girls hit as hard as boys.
But
> >what a dull world you want us to see. Trinitarianism delights in
diversity
> >and distinctions. And since we are Trinitarian, these distinctions don't
> >amount to the oppression that you rush to find. The Son delights to
submit
> >to the Father, and yet they are both one God. There's the conspiracy that
> >you are looking for. It's the Triune God.
> >Ben Merkle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ted Moffett" <ted_moffett@hotmail.com>
> >To: <bentwigg@yahoo.com>; <spencerjt@wlu.edu>
> >Cc: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:56 AM
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Liberal Thinking
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Ben et. al.
> > >
> > > It might seem odd to you that someone would see sexism in the fact
that
> >an
> > > option for educational or personal enrichment was offered to boys but
> >not
> >to
> > > girls. Perhaps this is because you have yet to enter the bizarre and
> > > foreign realm of LIBERAL THINKING! Gasp! You see, to the crazed
> >hysterical
> > > mind of the liberal, all educational opportunities and activities of
> > > personal enrichment should be offered totally equally across the board
> >to
> > > men and women with no exceptions. Thus men get to take home
economics,
> >and
> > > women can play football, and everyone will be happy!
> > >
> > > To not joyfully and gleefully offer boxing and lacrosse to girls who
may
> > > wish to join the Bonham sports clubs, when there is even the slightest
> >hint
> > > that this club is associated with Logos school, well, this is an
> >injustice
> > > that burns at the soul! Private clubs do have more control over being
> > > exclusive, of course, though those darn liberals are chipping away at
> >that
> > > great tradition.
> > >
> > > But let's not forget both Moscow High and the U of I offer football
only
> >to
> > > men! That is, unless there have been some women under all that
padding
> >that
> > > I have not heard about. Onward with the crusade: let's make sure
women
> > > have the same opportunities as men to make idiots out of themselves in
> >the
> > > mud playing football and risking spinal injury, brain injury, knee and
> >joint
> > > problems that will haunt them the rest of their lives, that is if they
> >are
> > > not outright killed on the football field, which happens to a few high
> > > school students just about every year!
> > >
> > > I've often thought that one reason women are just better than men is
> >because
> > > they do not have to suffer through the moronic desensitizing brutality
> >of
> > > violent sports to prove themselves.
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Ben Twigg <bentwigg@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: vision2020@moscow.com, ted_moffett@hotmail.com, spencerjt@wlu.edu
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Amazonian Goddesses Do Battle!
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:22:35 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >I echo Jacob Spencer's comments: Logos School, Christ
> > > >Church, and the Bonham Boxing/Lacrosse Clubs are not
> > > >one and the same, and it would be nice to see future
> > > >Vision 2020 postings distinguish between them.
> > > >
> > > >According to the Logos School website, the school is
> > > >"absolutely committed to the central principles of the
> > > >Christian faith, but allow[s] for a variety of
> > > >convictions on secondary doctrinal principles.
> > > >[Its]staff represent many different evangelical
> > > >churches, and the same is true of the vast majority of
> > > >[its] student body." (It is not my purpose to argue
> > > >that Logos does or does not fulfill this objective,
> > > >only to present its official position relative to
> > > >local churches.)
> > > >
> > > >Mr. Moffett writes "informally Logos school does have
> > > >connections to the Bonham boxing or Lacrosse club. And
> > > >my charge of sexism still stands regarding these
> > > >informal connections..."
> > > >
> > > >I believe that Logos has formal connections (by way of
> > > >its own athletic programs) to girls' volleyball,
> > > >basketball, track, and cross country. (It has been a
> > > >while since I have taken inventory of Logos athletic
> > > >programs; please correct me if I my facts are false or
> > > >incomplete.) To suggest that the school is sexist
> > > >because it allows its male students to participate in
> > > >certain extracurricular activities seems odd. If the
> > > >school is sexist, this policy of "tolerance" does not
> > > >seem to provide conclusive evidence.
> > > >
> > > >Merely the humble opinion of a Logos graduate and
> > > >coach/player/fan of the world's most popular game
> > > >(soccer, of course)...
> > > >
> > > >Ben Twigg
> > > >
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