[Vision2020] Computer Seized in Idaho Had 9-11 Targets
Shawn Clabough
shawnc@outtrack.com
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:19:20 -0800
Yes, I believe that on their own, they would be of little significance, but
I feel that the prosecution is trying to significantly use their influence
in public opinion and make all of their case cumulatively enough for a
conviction. Remember that the charges are just about visa fraud and they
are making no actual charges about terrorism or specific content he posted
himself.
Shawn
"reserving judgement without all the facts"
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Hansen [mailto:tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:49 PM
To: 'Shawn Clabough'; 'vision2020@moscow.com'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Computer Seized in Idaho Had 9-11 Targets
It is my opinion that the picture files found on the Saudi student's
computer (or one that he used) will amount to total insignificance in the
government's prosecution.
Let's see. The prosecution can talk aboout those pre-911 and post-911
photos or the prosecution can present a case detailing the trail of hundreds
of thousands of dollars that were disseminated to various agencies
(identified as terrorist oriented) by this Saudi student. My guess is just
as I mentioned earlier. The photos are negligible at best.
Take care,
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Clabough [mailto:shawnc@outtrack.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:54 PM
To: 'vision2020@moscow.com'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Computer Seized in Idaho Had 9-11 Targets
Amazingly, or maybe not, I noticed that many local papers mentioned John
Dickinson's testimony to that effect (that many people probably have
pictures like that stored in their cache), but when the article was filtered
by the national press, they omitted those statements and just mentioned the
"incriminating" photos. I also note that the prosecutor could not state
where on the drive those files were located, nor what the timestamp (I know
that can be changed) was on those files.
Shawn
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hoffmann [mailto:escape@alt-escape.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:19 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Computer Seized in Idaho Had 9-11 Targets
At 03:34 PM 3/11/2003 -0800, TEX wrote:
>BOISE, Idaho (AP) - Photographs in a computer used by a Saudi student
>arrested for alleged visa violations include shots of the World Trade
>Center before and after the 2001 terrorism attacks, an FBI agent
>testified Tuesday.
Sounds very incriminating. Of course, I suspect the computers of most
people on this list have pictures on their hard drives of the World Trade
Center, before and after the attacks. Those would be in our browsers'
caches, along with "thousands" of other photos.
The drawings of planes hitting buildings sounds a bit more incriminating,
but they could also conceivably be found in the same location on the hard
drive, the result of visiting news and other sites. It seems to me that
the depictions are not so crucial as the location on the hard drive, and
any evidence about how they got there and how unique they are. That's why
we have trials in this country, to sort through the prosecutor's
incriminating evidence and discovering whether or not that evidence stands
up to scrutiny by a vigorous defense.
I don't pretend to know whether Sami has terrorist ties or not. But I do
know that a Chinese scientist at Los Alamos was accused of spying because
he had unauthorized contacts with the Chinese government, and he was found
to have taken top-secret scientific information home with him. Wen Ho Lee
later pled guilty to one relatively minor charge of mishandling secrets (as
opposed to espionage). Many of his colleagues no doubt mishandled secrets
in the same manner (it's called "taking work home") but were never charged,
and the FBI had to seriously backtrack on its accusations against Mr. Lee.
By releasing this information about Sami's computer, it seems to me that
the prosecution is trying to convict him in the court of public opinion,
which can ease a conviction in a court of law, whether that conviction is
deserved or not. As an opinionated person, I am willing to convict a
person in my mind before a trial, but in this case, I'd need to see more
explicit evidence.
Bob Hoffmann
820 S. Logan St.
Moscow, ID 83843
Tel: 208 883-0642
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