[Vision2020] enough already
Tom Hansen
thansen@moscow.com
Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:11:06 -0700
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I definitely agree that Mr. Stambler should be removed from this listserve.
He was "ignorable" earlier. But now that he mentions names, it has gone a
bit past the ignoring stage.
Also, I seriously doubt that FSR can be held liable for comments made on
this listserve. If ISP's could be held liable for comments made on their
listserve, could you even begin to imagine the potential law suits
originating in chat rooms?
If I were a "damaged" party from any of these comments by Mr. Stambler, I
wouldn't bring action against FSR. Why?? I would seek legal counsel and
pursue Mr. Stambler.
It is just that simple.
Take care,
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Dale Courtney
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:53 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] enough already
Visionaries,
I wrote the Email below and was asked off-line if I was threatening a
law-suite.
No, I'm not threatening a lawsuit; That's not what I was trying to convey.
However, FSR needs to be aware that it is hosting a website where libelous
statements are being made and hosted (see:
http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002698.html).
When people can find libelous material on the internet, the ISP is often
libel for hosting it.
That was my only point.
Best,
Dale Courtney
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Courtney
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 16:36
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] enough already
At what point is FSR and perhaps Bill London and the other moderators
liable for providing a forum for libelous and slanderous statements?
The Daily News is libel for any Editorials that they print that are
slanderous/liable. There have been legal findings that show that ISP's are
libel for any slanderous/libel statements posted on their system.
I'm going to mention this to the FSR bubbas. We may well find ourselves
shut-down until this is resolved; otherwise, FSR may find themselves up to
their ears in legal brouhaha.
Best,
Dale
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D888290500-24062003>I =
definitely=20
agree that Mr. Stambler should be removed from this listserve. He =
was=20
"ignorable" earlier. But now that he mentions names, it has gone a =
bit=20
past the ignoring stage.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D888290500-24062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D888290500-24062003>Also, I seriously=20
doubt that FSR can be held liable for comments made on this =
listserve. If=20
ISP's could be held liable for comments made on their listserve, could =
you even=20
begin to imagine the potential law suits originating in chat=20
rooms?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D888290500-24062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D888290500-24062003>If =
I were a=20
"damaged" party from any of these comments by Mr. Stambler, I wouldn't =
bring=20
action against FSR. Why?? I would seek legal counsel and =
pursue Mr.=20
Stambler.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D888290500-24062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D888290500-24062003>It =
is just that=20
simple.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D888290500-24062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D888290500-24062003>Take=20
care,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D888290500-24062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D888290500-24062003>Tom =
Hansen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dale=20
Courtney<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 23, 2003 4:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] enough=20
already<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Visionaries,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I wrote the Email below and was asked =
off-line if=20
<U><EM>I</EM></U> was threatening a law-suite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>No, I'm not threatening a lawsuit; That's not what =
I was=20
trying to convey. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>However, FSR needs to be aware that it is hosting =
a website=20
where libelous statements are being made and hosted (see: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002698.html"=
>http://lists2.fsr.net/pipermail/vision2020/2003-June/002698.html</A>).=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>When people can find libelous material on the =
internet, the=20
ISP is often libel for hosting it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That was my only point. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Best,<BR>Dale Courtney</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:dale@courtneys.us" title=3Ddale@courtneys.us>Dale =
Courtney</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 23, 2003 =
16:36</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] =
enough=20
already</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>At what point is FSR and perhaps Bill London and =
the other=20
moderators liable for providing a forum for libelous and =
slanderous=20
statements? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Daily News is libel for any Editorials that =
they print=20
that are slanderous/liable. There have been legal findings that show =
that=20
ISP's are libel for any slanderous/libel statements posted on their =
system.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm going to mention this to the FSR bubbas. We =
may well=20
find ourselves shut-down until this is resolved; otherwise, FSR may =
find=20
themselves up to their ears in legal brouhaha.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Best,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
size=3D2>Dale</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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