[Vision2020] How big money affects education in Washington D.C.
Donovan Arnold
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<P>"What if the military had to hold a bake sale to raise money for an fighter plane and the schools got all the money they needed?"--Bumper sticker</P></DIV>
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<P>I think when the economy is horrible the government should expand, construction increase and taxes for the poor and middle class decrease while taxes for the rich increase.</P>
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<P>In good economic times taxes for everyone should increase and the government should shrink.</P>
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<P>The government can run more effectively if it is done correctly. 99% of social security revenues go directly to the beneficiaries. Private insurance companies only have a return rate of about 90-95% to it's beneficiaries. When the government took over manufacturing and production plants in the US during WWI and WWII production more then doubled. It depends on the motives and regulations of the government. Some government bureaucracies are created for the sole purpose of creating jobs for the area, in this case it is unproductive. On the other hand, when a government program is created to actually do something, it is often more productive because it doesn't care about returning a profit to stock holders. </P>
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<P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Ted Moffett" <TED_MOFFETT@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] How big money affects education in Washington D.C.
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:08:57 +0000
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<DIV></DIV>>All:
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<DIV></DIV>>The subject is complex. Part of the subject here is, or should be,
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<DIV></DIV>>the broad question of whether the government can run ANY program
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<DIV></DIV>>efficiently. If it can, then public schools might be brought into
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<DIV></DIV>>line to be run more effectively and efficiently. If no government
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<DIV></DIV>>program is efficient and effective, we have less grounds for hope of
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<DIV></DIV>>reforming the public schools. Vouchers are one alternative, but
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<DIV></DIV>>hardly a new idea, having already been implemented in other areas of
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<DIV></DIV>>In trying to broaden the debate by suggesting that maybe there are
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<DIV></DIV>>government programs that are run efficiently, which deliver what
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<DIV></DIV>>they promise, which many would argue the US military does, I was not
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<DIV></DIV>>avoiding the question. But if all government programs are
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<DIV></DIV>>inherently inefficient and ineffective, which is a point of view
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<DIV></DIV>>often argued by conservatives, then certainly the Pentagon and US
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<DIV></DIV>>military should be a target of privatization, along with public
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<DIV></DIV>>I posed the question that if the Pentagon and military are run
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<DIV></DIV>>efficiently, frugally and effectively, perhaps we should let the
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<DIV></DIV>>military run the public schools, or maybe model some of the
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<DIV></DIV>>management techniques of the military and apply them to public
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<DIV></DIV>>schools? This question is a bit more involved than the original
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<DIV></DIV>>question I asked on this same topic.
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<DIV></DIV>>I was also of course mocking the contradictions of conservatives who
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<DIV></DIV>>wish to downsize public schools while their pet government military
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<DIV></DIV>>programs get pork, pork, pork!
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<DIV></DIV>>>From: "Van Deventer, Jack" <JACK@WSU.EDU>
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<DIV></DIV>>>To: "Ted Moffett" <TED_MOFFETT@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] How big money affects education in
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<DIV></DIV>>>Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:16:44 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>>Ted, in trying to change the subject, sounds a whole lot like
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<DIV></DIV>>>Jack
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<DIV></DIV>>>-----Original Message-----
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<DIV></DIV>>>From: Ted Moffett [mailto:ted_moffett@hotmail.com]
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<DIV></DIV>>>Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:58 PM
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<DIV></DIV>>>To: Van Deventer, Jack
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<DIV></DIV>>>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV></DIV>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] How big money affects education in
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<DIV></DIV>>>Washington
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<DIV></DIV>>>All, et. al.
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<DIV></DIV>>>This excerpt from the National Review is more of the same on
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<DIV></DIV>>>educational
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<DIV></DIV>>>problems not being solved by the money spent on public schools...
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<DIV></DIV>>>If "throwing money" at the problem of sub par public schools is the
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<DIV></DIV>>>approach, an often heard critique from "conservatives," who wish to
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<DIV></DIV>>>government out of the business of education and social services and
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<DIV></DIV>>>related
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<DIV></DIV>>>government programs that ostensibly help people directly, why do
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<DIV></DIV>>>these same conservatives drool over dramatic increases in
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<DIV></DIV>>>Pentagon and US military?
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<DIV></DIV>>>Perhaps we should privatize the Pentagon, and let the inherently
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<DIV></DIV>>>efficient and effective private sector provide for our nations
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<DIV></DIV>>>Or is the solution to let our military run the public schools with
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<DIV></DIV>>>super efficient and frugal approach (sic) to spending solving the
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<DIV></DIV>>>created by those tax and spend liberals?
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<DIV></DIV>>>The contradictions in political ideology are a never ending source
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<DIV></DIV>>> >From: "Van Deventer, Jack" <JACK@WSU.EDU>
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<DIV></DIV>>> >Subject: [Vision2020] How big money affects education in
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<DIV></DIV>>> >Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:21:19 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>> >The June 2, 2003 issue of National Review (page 8) reads:
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<DIV></DIV>>> >Washington, D.C. spends $9,650 per child in the public
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<DIV></DIV>>> >$3,000 above the national average and more than all but two other
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<DIV></DIV>>> >He thus decided to support a modest voucher program for poor
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