[Vision2020] Christ Church...
Douglas
dougwils@moscow.com
Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:11:00 -0700
Visionaries,
Jumping Jehoshaphat!
And the basement under the bakery is ideal for hiding dead bodies and our
cocaine inventory. Far too tempting . . . I feel myself weakening.
Cordially,
Douglas Wilson
At 05:56 AM 7/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings Visionaires -
>
>Question concerning the New St. Andrews College: I understand that
>tax-exempt entities cannot actively participate in politics (i.e.
>contributions to political parties). Since the bakery part of SNA is not
>tax-exempt, could St. Andrews contribute to a political party/candidate
>through the bakery (something similar to money laundering)? I realize that
>this may be be unethical/illegal, but it also seems far too tempting for
>SNA.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ted Moffett
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:29 PM
> > To: dkaag@turbonet.com
> > Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
> >
> >
> > Don and All:
> >
> > Part of the political process that we all ostensibly have a right to
> > participate in involves, as everyone knows, focusing on the conduct and
> > impact of groups whose agenda someone disagrees with to galvanize
> > opposition
> > to said group.
> >
> > In terms of Christ Church, St, Andrews and Logos, let everyone
> > who wishes to
> > comment on these groups and their agenda have their say. And
> > Christ Church
> > and Logos supporters can have their say. Pile it on! The more
> > the merrier.
> >
> > What bothers me is the stereotyping and misleading "facts" being
> > presented
> > from any and all sides.
> >
> > But then again, is this not how politics works? If you can get your
> > unpleasant stereotype to stick to your opponent, or promote
> > misleading facts
> > that make your agenda look good, you score points in the
> > political arena.
> > The issue in politics is often not TRUTH, but IMAGE. And US vs.
> > THEM is a
> > real psychological motivating engine to create group unity to further a
> > cause.
> >
> > Part of the problem with progressives is they are too open minded and
> > relativistic, too tolerant of other viewpoints, so they do not
> > organize in
> > groups with sufficient cohesion and power and fiery "true
> > believer" fervor!
> > This is one reason the progressives in America are on the ropes.
> >
> > Certainly the true believers at Christ Church do see the
> > dichotomy between
> > them and the non-believers as a real division that makes a
> > difference. They
> > do not see progressives in the phrasing of Mr. Kaag: "They" is
> > us! To deny
> > this is to deny reality!
> >
> > Anyways, I have spent some enjoyable times in Bucers, one night
> > discussing
> > St. Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. A rather
> > interesting argument you rarely hear the faithful make.
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > >From: Don Kaag <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> > >To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Christ Church...
> > >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:57:13 -0700
> > >
> > >Visionaries:
> > >
> > >Is anyone else getting tired of the constant sniping at Christ
> > Church and
> > >Logos that occurs on this site?
> > >
> > >Is there nothing else in Moscow and environs that attracts people's
> > >attention, or that is worthy of discussion? Let's talk about the aquifer
> > >some more, or the paucity of decent restaurants.
> > >
> > >We live, ostensibly, in a free republic, with separation of church and
> > >state. No one, so far as I know, is holding a gun to anyone's head and
> > >forcing them to attend Christ Church or to send their kids to Logos. So
> > >what's the problem? Why can't the "progressive" people in this
> > community
> > >who talk loudly and constantly about freedom of speech, and
> > equal treatment
> > >for ethnic and gender minorities, and whine about how George W. Bush
> > >"stole" the presidency, allow the members of Christ Church the same
> > >freedoms they trumpet so loudly for their various groups and
> > causes? Oh, I
> > >know---the Christ Church folks are just not "like us"!
> > >
> > >I have lost count of the conversations with "progressive" friends, and
> > >overheard comments in the Moscow High School faculty lounge and other
> > >venues that dealt with "them" (i.e., Doug Wilson and his
> > congregation...)
> > >trying to "take over" Moscow.
> > >
> > >I have been told by friends that I should not patronize Bucers
> > (and now the
> > >new bakery on Friendship Square), because the people who own and
> > run it are
> > >members of Christ Church. What has that got to do with the quality of
> > >their coffee or their cinnamon rolls? I like Bucers, although I
> > would be
> > >happy to have an alternative place which puts smokers off in a room by
> > >themselves, plays soft classical music, has intellectually-challenging
> > >books to read, and serves reasonably good wine by the glass.
> > Someone else
> > >open another place like Bucers, and I will spend time there, too. The
> > >Corner Club or the Slurp 'n Burp just won't cut it---I dislike
> > second-hand
> > >smoke and I loathe country and western music.
> > >
> > >If I bothered to take the time to do a religious background
> > check on every
> > >establishment I do business with in Moscow, I wouldn't have the
> > time to do
> > >anything else. Perhaps it would save time if the City Council
> > required any
> > >business owned and operated by a Christ Church congregant to
> > paint a large
> > >cross on their window, or maybe they could be forced to wear a
> > little cloth
> > >cross sewn prominently to their clothing? Then we would all know which
> > >establishments were run by "Untermenchen" in our town, and could avoid
> > >giving them our business.
> > >
> > > Rumors abound. "They" are soliciting other conservative Christians to
> > >move here and join their congregation, in an attempt to take over the
> > >political process. "They" are trying to destroy the public
> > school system.
> > >"They", now that New Saint Andrews College has taken over the old GTE
> > >building, will take over Friendship Square.
> > >
> > >Hey, reality check... "They" is us. People who live and work
> > and worship
> > >in this community are members of this community. Christ Church members
> > >live here. They pay taxes. If they want to be involved in the
> > political
> > >process, or encourage their friends to move here, because it is
> > a nice to
> > >live and raise a family, more power to them. And if they organize, work
> > >hard, and are willing to donate time to community affairs, and they
> > >out-organize the local "progressives" (who are already a
> > political minority
> > >in this most Republican of states...) and have themselves
> > elected to local
> > >and state office, that's the way the political process works.
> > >
> > >If you don't like it, you are certainly welcome to work harder, or open
> > >your own school, or get more "progressive" friends to move here,
> > or run for
> > >political office. Until then, find a new obsession, and stop
> > complaining!
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Don Kaag
> > >
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