[Vision2020] ANOTHER National Democrat on Iraq
Donovan Arnold
donovanarnold@hotmail.com
Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:11:34 -0700
Tim,
I can't believe you don't see why Clinton said that. The Democratic Party is
divided. The DLC and DNC want Lieberman and Edwards to win. The left wing of
the party is fueled by anger and want Dean. A few others want Kerry because
he is more moderate and served in the military. The Uranium words were
giving Dean and Kerry the most traction. Clinton's words just pulled the
traction and momentum right out from underneath Dean and Kerry moving
Lieberman and Edwards into a better position. If WMD are found, Dean falls
on his face and Kerry fades away. I have a hunch that there will be some
weapons of mass destruction found, or planted, in the next 6 months. Clinton
is saving the face of the Democratic Party in that event. I think it is
smart. God help us if we have to choose between Bush and Dean in 2004. We
might as well concede the 50 colonies back to the British and say this
experiment is over in that event. Choosing between a man who lies and is
incompetent and a man who does not tell the truth and is not competent, is
not much of a choice if you ask most people.
I support General Wesley Clark for President, no matter what! He has more
qualifications than anyone in the ring now. He is a "to the slightly left"
Ronald Reagan.
Donovan J Arnold
Donovan J Arnold
>From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] ANOTHER National Democrat on Iraq
>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:14:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Sunil,
> I CAN'T let go of the Democrats--at least the
>national ones. They're so-o-o arrogantly condescending
>towards all sorts of behavior except when one of their
>own does it. Then it's fine!
> Kerry is going around criticizing W for doing
>exactly what he himself has recommended. That's the
>sort of hypocrisy that needs to be exposed over and
>over.
> As for Bill Clinton's groin--even though he has
>"opened the door" on that one(sorry, couldn't
>resist)--I only brought him(and not his groin) up this
>last time to speculate on why he would defend GW at
>the exact moment when his partymates seem to be making
>some hay over the W's uranium thingy. That seemed a
>little puzzling to most on here. They couldn't answer
>why he'd do it, and neither can I.
>
> In any case, Clinton's comments are directly
>relevant to what you write that you consider important
>below. Apparently ole Bill HAS looked at what W has
>and is doing and he doesn't see a whole lot wrong with
>it.
>
> The politics of all this is interesting, but as for
>my personal view on the buildup to the war. I don't
>believe it has made the country more secure against
>possible terrorist attacks. I'd much rather have seen
>these resources and in some cases manpower devoted to
>dramatically stepped up efforts at finding out just
>what and who is coming into our ports, across our own
>borders, living in our cities etc.
> As for the W administration's honesty. I believe
>his administration is run by the neocons, many of whom
>have written for years about how much they wanted to
>go to war with Iraq. The WMD idea was a way to justify
>what they wanted to do already. But again, so
>apparently did many of the Demos. including many of
>the ones travelling around to advance themselves by
>criticizing W right now.
> TL
>
>
>
>--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
> > Of course Kerry is trying to have it both ways. But
> > it's silly to pretend the Democrats are some sort of
> > monolithic, single-minded party. If they were,
> > they'd be in power right now.
> >
> > Tim, let go of the Democrats long enough to answer
> > this question: Do you think the Bush Administration
> > has been honest, either in its buildup towards war,
> > or since that time, in presenting its rationales for
> > the invasion of Iraq? Since they're in charge now,
> > wouldn't you agree that it might be more important
> > to look at what they're doing, rather than focusing
> > on Bill Clinton's groin? I for one would rather
> > look elsewhere, and at items with more significance.
> >
> > Sunil Ramalingam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Lohrmann
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:52 PM
> > To: thansen@moscow.com
> > Cc: vision2020@moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] ANOTHER National Democrat
> > on Iraq
> >
> > Tom,
> > Do the politics of the messenger mean that Kerry
> > didn't make the statement?
> > TL
> >
> > --- Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:
> > > Of course, one must realize that John McCaslin
> > > stands slightly to the right
> > > of Rush Limbaugh as relfected in the articles
> > > authored by him at:
> > >
> > >
> >
>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnmccaslin/archive.shtml
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
> > > [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Tim Lohrmann
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:09 PM
> > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] ANOTHER National Democrat
> > on
> > > Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visionaries,
> > > > The Democrats' Iraq stances are looking
> > > > increasingly schizophrenic, no?
> > > > TL
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > INSIDE THE BELTWAY
> > > > > By John McCaslin
> > > > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > KERRY'S WAR
> > > > >
> > > > > Suffice it to say that Democratic
> > > presidential
> > > > > hopeful John Kerry has made "Iraqgate" the
> > theme
> > > of
> > > > > his campaign.
> > > > >
> > > > > On virtually every stump he's stood on
> > this
> > > > > week, the Massachusetts Democrat has
> > complained
> > > that
> > > > > President Bush sidestepped the congressionally
> > > > > approved path to war by bypassing the United
> > > > > Nations, by not building an international
> > > coalition,
> > > > > and simply by not doing what it was that he
> > had
> > > > > promised to do (actually, one could argue that
> > > the
> > > > > senator is wrong on all three counts).
> > > > >
> > > > > Forget that Mr. Kerry voted in favor of
> > the
> > > > > Iraq war resolution. He did so, he now says,
> > > with
> > > > > the understanding that Mr. Bush would exhaust
> > > every
> > > > > remedy first. What was the big hurry, in other
> > > > > words.
> > > > >
> > > > > But let's revisit Nov. 17, 1997, when
> > > nobody
> > > > > else in Washington except the Inside the
> > Beltway
> > > > > column led with an item headlined, "Finish the
> > > > > mission."
> > > > >
> > > > > "Debate on whether to take out Saddam
> > > Hussein,
> > > > > the Iraqi strongman, is over as far as one
> > > > > Democratic senator is concerned," or so we had
> > > > > written.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts is
> > > calling
> > > > > for a 'strong' military attack in response to
> > > the
> > > > > Iraqi leader's 'horrific objective of amassing
> > a
> > > > > stockpile of weapons of mass destruction.'B "
> > > > >
> > > > > Weapons of mass destruction? That's what
> > > Mr.
> > > > > Kerry called them.
> > > > >
> > > > > "As the senator points out, military
> > might
> > > is
> > > > > the only language Saddam knows B and fears.
> > > 'Saddam
> > > > > Hussein should pay a grave price, in a
> > currency
> > > that
> > > > > he understands and values, for his
> > unacceptable
> > > > > behavior,' says Mr. Kerry. 'This should not be
> > a
> > > > > strike consisting only of a handful of cruise
> > > > > missiles hitting isolated targets primarily of
> > > > > presumed symbolic value. But how long this
> > > military
> > > > > action might continue and how it may escalate
> > > ...
> > > > > and how extensive it would reach are for the
> > > [White
> > > > > House National] Security Council and our
> > allies
> > > to
> > > > > know and for Saddam Hussein to find out!'B "
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as you wished, Senator.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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