[Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
matt decker
matt2107@moscow.com
Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:05:40 -0700
Mr Arnold,
Although I don't agree with you and others at times, I
would suggest that when talking to others, you would do so with some
respect. You have attacked Mr Hansen and Mr. Kaag, who are both prior
veterens of Vietnam, all becuase you don't agree with them.
Also, this is a community site, so by saying that you would like
to meet Mr. Kaag face to face, I took that as wanting to fight. This makes
you look like the idiot that YOU are. Quite frankly, trying to start a fight
with an ex-MARINE sniper and black belt shows the dumba** that you are.
STOP THE ATTACKS ARNOLD!!
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
To: <dkaag@turbonet.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
> Don,
>
> "You haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and
> >obviously haven't thought through calling a man who wore his country's
> >uniform for 20 years, and put his life on the line for you and those like
> >you, such demeaning things."
>
> Good for you! your right! I should NOT call the guy that molested my
> neighbors kids for three years a hypocrite because he served 40 years in
the
> armed forced and was injured in Vietnam. You would like to invite him to
> your house??
>
> I should not call Oliver North a nonpatriot either despite the fact that
he
> helped fund a drug cartel that gunned down villages.
>
> Nor should I call a guy who was injured in a training exercise an
expatriot
> for calling a guy who gets his legs blow off a wimp!
>
> You are so shallow to twist my arguments around KAAG. I was not
criticizing
> Mr. Hansen for his service. I was criticizing him for his lack of
compassion
> to the men in uniform. IF YOU BOTHERED TO read my last post you would see
> that I THANKED HIM FOR IT.
>
> I am the one trying to get people to help the troops. And help the
families
> without fathers.
>
> Instead you try to TWIST my argument into an attack on Mr. Hansen's
service.
> I have no quarelles with that. AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU
> ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I would like to meet you in person Mr. Kaag, how damn DARE you accuse me
of
> that. I have spent my whole life supporting the military and their
families.
> And disabled people including veterans. Anybody in this town knows that.
> Yeah, I will show you how much of a bleeding heart liberal I am! Come over
> here you sorry, demented excuse for a life!
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
> >From: Don Kaag <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> >To: Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
> >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:35:36 -0700
> >
> >Mr. Arnold:
> >
> >I take exception to your rude address of Tom Hansen, questioning his
> >integrity and committment and calling him a hypocrite. Even for an
> >immature, clueless, bleeding heart like you, that is slimy.
> >
> >You haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about, and obviously
> >haven't thought through calling a man who wore his country's uniform for
20
> >years, and put his life on the line for you and those like you, such
> >demeaning things.
> >
> >And stop whining, because the military is not responsible for your
personal
> >angst. Talk about self-centered... now your "service in the military"
> >consists of being weaned and potty-trained while your father was at sea!
> >Do you think that you are the only child born while their father was
> >deployed? Millions of children born during World War II fit that
> >description, and many thousands since.
> >
> >Get a grip. If you feel so strongly about how the military is being
> >mistreated, try being part of the solution. How about heading on down to
> >the mall and raising your right hand for a four year tour?
> >
> > I didn't think so.
> >
> >Until then, shut up.
> >
> >Don Kaag
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 03:12 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> >>Well Tom,
> >>
> >>Now you know how offended I feel about! Irritating isn't it? I have
every
> >>right to insult a man that insults our troops. I will do it again, and
> >>again, and again. For someone that says he supports his troops, you
ain't
> >>doing much about it now are you? WAKE UP Mr. Hansen! Are troops are
> >>getting picked off one by one everyday, they are sitting ducks that
can't
> >>do crap about it. Even the Centcom Commander has stated the troops'
needs
> >>are being ignored by higher members of the military. The only reason you
> >>spent one year in Vietnam was because people back in the states fought
> >>against it. They didn't say "Oh what a bunch of pussies." Yet, you
having
> >>been there, and won't even write ONE letter to ONE person to ask that
> >>their commanders address a few of their concerns. That is called
> >>hypocritical. I think you should be ashamed.
> >>As for my service to the military, it was not the same as yours. But it
> >>was none the less very costly. I never even knew my father until I 12
> >>years old. My father was gone all the time until then. I never got to
play
> >>ball with my daddy. He never taught me to ride a bike, or play baseball.
> >>It was my older brother that took on this role. WHY? Because my dad was
> >>gone all the time, on tours on ships. Sometimes, I would not see my
father
> >>for 6-8 months at a time. He was not even around when I was born!
> >>When I see children all across this country suffer the same fate of a
mom
> >>or dad being gone for one-five years at a time, if they return at all,
for
> >>the sake of this stupid unjust war, if makes my blood boil. Their is no
> >>reason men and women should be away from their spouses and children for
> >>that long. Some children have both parents over there. BOTH! No parents.
> >>What kind of crap is that Mr. Hansen?
> >>If you don't have the courage to say something for the sake of our
Troops
> >>or their families than I question your integrity and commitment to the
> >>welfare of the American People. If you have, then thanks, don't write
back
> >>implying that you have not and ruffel my feathers. If you don't write,
to
> >>any authority, I have zero respect for you because you are hypocrit to
get
> >>advantages for people protesting here against the unjust war you were in
> >>BUT will not do the same for others in the same situation.
> >>
> >>Donovan J Arnold
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
> >>>Reply-To: <thansen@moscow.com>
> >>>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
> >>>CC: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Please Help our dying troops!
> >>>Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:32:09 -0700
> >>>
> >>>Mr. Arnold -
> >>>
> >>>You stated:
> >>>
> >>>"Are you such a man that nothing would cause you to speak out for the
> >>>other
> >>>troops in your unit and take the reprimand?"
> >>>
> >>>How f***ing dare you even imply that I would not support my troops.
> >>>
> >>>I have gone to bat for troops within my squad (and later my platoon)
> >>>several
> >>>times. I have gone as far as putting my stripes on the Battalion
> >>>Commander's desk. That is part of being an NCO. I feel that if my
> >>>troops
> >>>do not feel comfortable approaching me with a problem, then I have done
> >>>something wrong. The foremost characteristic that I have emphasized in
> >>>training has always been cohesion. Every soldier, from the newest
> >>>private
> >>>up to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should feel more
willing
> >>>to
> >>>discuss problems with his/her first-line supervisor than taking it up
> >>>with
> >>>the media.
> >>>
> >>>And what branch of the service were you in, Mr. Arnold. For how long?
> >>>
> >>>I am not suggesting that you walk a mile in someon'e shoes before you
> >>>criticise them. But you should, at minimum know how it feels to wear
> >>>them.
> >>>
> >>>As far as combat tours are concerned, I served a year in Vietnam. I
> >>>don't
> >>>care to discuss that part of my life and I certainly will not discuss
it
> >>>here.
> >>>
> >>>Tom Hansen
> >>>SFC, U.S. Army (Retired)
> >>>
> >>
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