[Vision2020] liquor insurance liability
Melynda Huskey
mghuskey@hotmail.com
Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:32:44 -0800
Mike Curley writes, with some frustration:
>a. the "public v. private education" issue has not been a
>debate in my opinion
>b. if it has been a debate, it is a debate that was
>conducted once, ad nauseam to many others on the list
Over the weekend I did some thinking about why some of us are still moved to
revisit this topic, and why it creates such heat. I agree with Mike that
our postings aren't a debate. They certainly aren't a dialogue, and I don't
think they're a conversation, either. I think we're talking past each other
for the benefit of the people we perceive as "on our side," and I'm
including myself in that statement.
The Public Conversations Project (www.publicconversations.org)has a very
interesting list of "Characteristics of Stuck Conversations on Polarized
Issues." Some highlights?
"Conversation is unvarying and predictable.
"Partisans develop a virtuous image of themselves and a demonic image of
their adversaries.
"Blaming and attack reign, fueled by righteous passion, feelings of
victimization, disempowerment, and disqualification.
"Members of an opposing alliance seem to be all alike; the most extreme
leaders are seen as representatives of the whole group.
"Fixed and simple convictions are openly displayed. Complexity,
ambivalence, confusion, and inner conflict are concealed."
I think our discussion has reached the "stuck" point (again). If we want to
have a real conversation--not even a debate, but simply a conversation--we
may have to do things differently. We might try to reach some agreements
about that--agreements about how we will speak to and about each other,
about what kinds of questions we will ask, about what our goals for the
conversation are.
Melynda Huskey
"The things that make us happy make us wise." John Crowley
>a. the "public v. private education" issue has not been a
>debate in my opinion
>b. if it has been a debate, it is a debate that was
>conducted once, ad nauseam to many others on the list
>c. providing liquor at public events in public facilities is
>and has been an issue of not only public debate but city
>council consideration and vote (beer garden at
>Renaissance Fair)--thus, not only the authorization and
>insurance for such events, but their very propriety in
>public facilities, seems to me to be largely more relevant
>than a repetitious quarrel, that was started (should
>anyone actually remember) by a post about an
>"interesting report" that wasn't (interesting) and provided
>nothing in the way of useable data except for purely
>rhetorical purposes.
>
>But thank you for your reply. It appears that my attempt
>to negotiate both issues off list has failed. I have no
>interest in further burdening the list on either issue.
>
>Mike Curley
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>On 11 Feb 03, at 9:00, Thomas Hansen wrote:
>
>From: Thomas Hansen <tomh@FNA.fsn.uidaho.edu>
>To: "'curley@turbonet.com'" <curley@turbonet.com>,
>vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] liquor insurance liability
>Date sent: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:00:51 -0800
>
>Mr. Curley (and others) -
>
>I fail to see your logic. Public versus private education
>is a debate that clearly has its pros and cons (on both
>sides). In that manner, it is a debate.
>
>If I were to see logical pros and cons of providing liquor
>with or without proper authorization/insurance, I could see
>openly discussing this in this forum.
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Curley [mailto:curley@turbonet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:59 AM
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] liquor insurance liability
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>Mr. Hansen:
>
>...and, therefore, you and all those others interested in
>continuing the sniping, repetitive, and increasingly
>irrelevant diatribes about public and private education will
>likewise continue off list? If you would agree to that
>trade- off, I say this to Mr. Roderick: I think your
>question expresses a concern and an issue that are
>properly
>addressed on this forum. But, I would greatly appreciate it
>if you would make this small sacrifice for the greater good.
>And, I will participate with you off list to find the
>answers to your questions.
>
>
>Mike Curley
>
>
>On 11 Feb 03, at 5:52, Tom Hansen wrote:
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>Send reply to: <thansen@moscow.com>
>
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
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>To: <Cjsnightclub@aol.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] liquor insurance liability
>
>
>Date sent: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 05:52:27 -0800
>
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>I seriously believe that this issue would (and should) be
>
>better handled off list. E-mails to and from those
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>individuals responsible for managing/sponsoring this event
>
>would better serve the intended purpose than to "air it" to
>
>everyone on the list serve.
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
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>[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
>
>Behalf Of Cjsnightclub@aol.com
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>Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:23 PM
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>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>
>Subject: [Vision2020] liquor insurance liability
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>I understand the Red Door is catering their liquor license
>
>to the event
>
>tonight at the 1912 building. I think it only appropriate
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>that we all know and see a copy of the proof of insurance or
>
>
>binder for liquor liability, "off premise" for tonight's
>
>event at the 1912 building or any other city/county
>
>facility.
>
>
>Phil Roderick
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