[Vision2020] Interesting Report by S&P on Michigan's Govt Schools
ben merkle
benmerkle@moscow.com
Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:50:20 -0800
Bob,
I grant your point. Children handed over to the government for the state
indoctrination will rarely have the same kind of parental involvement and
dedication that families choosing private education have. It's apples and
oranges. Silly thought of mine to even try and compare them.
Ben Merkle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hoffmann" <escape@alt-escape.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interesting Report by S&P on Michigan's Govt
Schools
> At 12:09 PM 2/4/2003 -0800, ben merkle wrote:
> >A closer look could be very rewarding. Would anyone be up for comparing
the
> >Moscow High numbers with a local private school to see who is getting
more
> >out of their dollar?
>
> Sounds like the same false logic that I mentioned. The proper perspective
> would be, Who is willing to compare Moscow High numbers with a local
> private school, taking into account family income, parental involvement,
> student nutrition, etc.? If you look at high school student performance
in
> Potlatch it seems like you are looking at two different schools: One that
> is low-performing, given student grades, and one that is
> high-performing. The fact is, Potlatch only has one high school, but a
> rare double-bell curve in terms of student performance, due in part to the
> vastly different backgrounds that the students come from.
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bob Hoffmann" <escape@alt-escape.com>
> >To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:53 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interesting Report by S&P on Michigan's Govt
> >Schools
> >
> >
> > > It would be interesting to take a closer look at the numbers. I know
for
> >a
> > > fact that many inner city schools (in "slum" areas) have higher
expenses
> >in
> > > some categories. For instance, they frequently must pay a higher wage
to
> > > attract teachers. This cannot compensate for students who come to
school
> > > hungry, who have uninvolved parents, who may have a higher drug use,
> > > etc. In complicated areas like health and education, a simple look at
> > > spending vs. performance is quite pointless. Speaking of which, the
U.S.
> > > government is said to spend more on health care than any other Western
> > > nation, but it gets less for it. That's obviously not a case of
"we're
> > > spending too much," but a case of "we're not having the intended
effect
> > > with our dollars."
> > >
> > > Bob Hoffmann
> > > 820 S. Logan St.
> > > Moscow, ID 83843
> > >
> > > Tel: 208 883-0642
> > >
> > > At 09:44 PM 2/3/2003 -0800, John Harrell wrote:
> > > >Standard & Poors releases data on state's public schools
> > > >
> > >
> >
>http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cg
> >i?g9383_BC_MI--SchoolRatings&&news&newsflash-michigan
> > > >
> > > >The Associated Press
> > > >2/3/03 5:27 PM
> > > >
> > > >LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- More than half the school districts that spent
> >more
> > > >per
> > > >student than the state average had below-passing rates on the
Michigan
> > > >Educational
> > > >Assessment Program test, according to an analysis of the state's
public
> > > >schools.
> > > >
> > > >Standard & Poor's School Evaluation Services released a report Monday
> >that
> > > >analyzed trends in the state's public education system from 1996-97
to
> > > >2000-01.
> > > >It's the second comprehensive report about Michigan's public schools.
> > > >
> > > >The division of Standard & Poor's, known for rating businesses,
> >government
> > > >agencies and even other countries, tracks where taxpayer dollars go
and
> > > >analyzes
> > > >if spending increases boost student performance.
> > > >
> > > >The Statewide Insights report showed that of the 181 school districts
> >that
> > > >spent
> > > >more per student than the state average, 92 had below-average passing
> > > >rates on
> > > >the MEAP. Of the 343 school districts with below-average spending,
171
> >had
> > > >above-average MEAP passing rates.
> > > >
> > > >Other highlights of the report:
> > > >
> > > >--The graduation rate increased from 80.7 percent of students in 1997
to
> >86.3
> > > >percent in 2001.
> > > >
> > > >--Per-student operating expenditures grew by 19 percent from 1997 to
> >2001,
> > > >nearly twice the cumulative inflation rate of 10.2 percent.
> > > >
> > > >-- The average administrator's salary rose 12.3 percent while the
average
> > > >teacher's salary increased by 8.4 percent.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers!
> > > >John Harrell
> > > >
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> 820 S. Logan St.
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> Tel: 208 883-0642
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