[Vision2020] Public Airings
mysticchic
mystic_chic1021@yahoo.com
Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:54:08 -0800 (PST)
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Dearest Jackie,
First of all I would like to express my sympathy for the loss of your child....I to know that type of loss and it is a pain like no other. But I must emphasize that ones pain does not cancel out anothers. I also felt it was unfair of you to say that Ruth's son should not have addressed an "adult problem" being that he is just a mere child. I have yet to read in anyones posting that adults were being spanked on their birthdays, so who better to address the situation then the victim of this "traditional" ritual.
Now onto something else....Vision2020 has this little thing called an archive and before you posted your recent response to me maybe you should have checked out the archives for October 2003. For it was on this date at 10:44 a.m. you posted the following response to happiness_99163's previous posting:
Morning;
I JUST called the School District Office - to their knowledge,
there is no such case as spoken about by "happiness",
especially to the extent that was written about in that
e-mail.
There may be one, but without verification, who can tell?
Thank you.
Jackie all tha I was trying to say was, maybe we should all do unto others as we would have done to us.
Best Wishes
Patty N.
Jackie Woolf <jfkwoolf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
First of all, I have never mentioned ANYTHING regarding Pullman High School, nor do I recall anyone else doing so.
Secondly, just because someone has gone through that type of abuse (and then some - clue, I have major medical problems I am dealing with due to severe abuse - Ruth does not. My family is totally in ruins due to abuse, Ruth at least has not lost a child while I have, etc.), does not mean they care to air it out in public as Ruth has chosen to do, much less do so in a very public/erronous manner. Ruth has NO proof of what she is alleging nor is using her son an inappropriate way in which to make her point right. But, that is Ruth. (Sorry, I've known Ruth for many years. I do know of where and what I speak in regards to her.) Have you met Ruth or her children? You might try doing that before you get upset about my suggesting she get counseling/help.
Third, I have just as much right as anyone to speak out against what I feel is wrong. Just because you don't like the message, does not mean I have to be quiet.
Fourth, Christ came into this world to save everyone...EVERYONE. You don't like that concept, perhaps you celebrating His birth (THE only reason Christmas exists) is not what you should be doing. I am not condemning Ruth; as in the past, I am suggesting that she get past what has happened and try to get her children and herself into counseling so that they can celebrate this season in Peace, not piece(s).
I would appreciate it if you would do the honorable thing and not post any of this to vision2020, as I am respecting you and not posting yours to me.
Thank you.
mysticchic <mystic_chic1021@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Jackie:
I notice that every time somone posts something that you choose to believe is not true, you respond by saying that this person is wrong or that person must lie...example happiness_99163 mentioning the discrimination at Pullman High School. Then your next step is to sugggest counseling for that person. It is easy for everyone to expect Ruth to not live in the past regarding the horrible abuse that she suffered, but until a person experiences that type of abuse, we have no idea how deep the suffering has gone. I truly wish during this season of peace that maybe we all could try to live in another persons shoes instead of condeming them.
Best Wishes
Patty N.
Jackie Woolf <jfkwoolf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ruth;
Again you have chosen to drag your children into a situation
this is not the proper place for them.
I totally do not agree with children being allowed to address
adults about adult discussions when they are not mature or
knowledgeable enough to do so.
The content of the ("your son's") letter is also suspect as is the timing.
But even given that, he only cites one incident, in that letter, of a spanking.
Again, IF you have proof, IF you have legitimate complaints, IF
you really believe your child(ren) has/have been abused, why
are you not presenting that in the proper venue?
And just what type of mental abuse is it when a child is being
made to write or talk about things that they are not necessarily
privie to? or should be? Especially by the person that kept
that child in the situation for over 4 years and is just NOW
saying something about it, one year later?
To quote, directly, from Cor 13:1-7:
1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, but have
not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries
and all knowlege and though I have all faith, so that I could remove
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor and though
I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4. Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not
parade itself, is not puffed up.
5. Does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked,
thinks no evil;
6. Does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7. Bears all things, believe all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
This particular chapter deals with what love and a person practicing love
is to be like towards the people they deal with.
You are constantly bringing in sites that deal with known major abuses situations.
I suggest you try getting your head out of the "poor me - I am such a victim"
phase of your life and start the healing process.
No one is minimalizing the trauma you have been through with your ex;
except you as you refuse to move you and your kids past it. Not every
incident or occasion is a reason to scream "ABUSE!"
Please seek out whatever type of counseling or pastoring that you and your kids
need and start that process today. Everyone will be the better for it, especially
your kids.
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<DIV>Dearest Jackie,</DIV>
<DIV>First of all I would like to express my sympathy for the loss of your child....I to know that type of loss and it is a pain like no other. But I must emphasize that ones pain does not cancel out anothers. I also felt it was unfair of you to say that Ruth's son should not have addressed an "adult problem" being that he is just a mere child. I have yet to read in anyones posting that adults were being spanked on their birthdays, so who better to address the situation then the victim of this "traditional" ritual. </DIV>
<DIV>Now onto something else....Vision2020 has this little thing called an archive and before you posted your recent response to me maybe you should have checked out the archives for October 2003. For it was on this date at 10:44 a.m. you posted the following response to happiness_99163's previous posting:<BR>Morning;<BR><BR>I JUST called the School District Office - to their knowledge,<BR>there is no such case as spoken about by "happiness", <BR>especially to the extent that was written about in that <BR>e-mail.<BR><BR>There may be one, but without verification, who can tell?<BR><BR>Thank you.<BR><BR>Jackie all tha I was trying to say was, maybe we should all do unto others as we would have done to us.</DIV>
<DIV>Best Wishes</DIV>
<DIV>Patty N.<BR><B><I>Jackie Woolf <jfkwoolf2000@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<DIV>First of all, I have never mentioned ANYTHING regarding Pullman High School, nor do I recall anyone else doing so.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Secondly, just because someone has gone through that type of abuse (and then some - clue, I have major medical problems I am dealing with due to severe abuse - Ruth does not. My family is totally in ruins due to abuse, Ruth at least has not lost a child while I have, etc.), does not mean they care to air it out in public as Ruth has chosen to do, much less do so in a very public/erronous manner. Ruth has NO proof of what she is alleging nor is using her son an inappropriate way in which to make her point right. But, that is Ruth. (Sorry, I've known Ruth for many years. I do know of where and what I speak in regards to her.) Have you met Ruth or her children? You might try doing that before you get upset about my suggesting she get counseling/help.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Third, I have just as much right as anyone to speak out against what I feel is wrong. Just because you don't like the message, does not mean I have to be quiet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fourth, Christ came into this world to save everyone...EVERYONE. You don't like that concept, perhaps you celebrating His birth (THE only reason Christmas exists) is not what you should be doing. I am not condemning Ruth; as in the past, I am suggesting that she get past what has happened and try to get her children and herself into counseling so that they can celebrate this season in Peace, not piece(s).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would appreciate it if you would do the honorable thing and not post any of this to vision2020, as I am respecting you and not posting yours to me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>mysticchic <mystic_chic1021@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Dear Jackie:</DIV>
<DIV>I notice that every time somone posts something that you choose to believe is not true, you respond by saying that this person is wrong or that person must lie...example happiness_99163 mentioning the discrimination at Pullman High School. Then your next step is to sugggest counseling for that person. It is easy for everyone to expect Ruth to not live in the past regarding the horrible abuse that she suffered, but until a person experiences that type of abuse, we have no idea how deep the suffering has gone. I truly wish during this season of peace that maybe we all could try to live in another persons shoes instead of condeming them.</DIV>
<DIV>Best Wishes</DIV>
<DIV>Patty N. <BR><BR><B><I>Jackie Woolf <jfkwoolf2000@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Ruth;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Again you have chosen to drag your children into a situation</DIV>
<DIV>this is not the proper place for them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I totally do not agree with children being allowed to address</DIV>
<DIV>adults about adult discussions when they are not mature or</DIV>
<DIV>knowledgeable enough to do so.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The content of the ("your son's") letter is also suspect as is the timing.</DIV>
<DIV>But even given that, he only cites one incident, in that letter, of a spanking.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Again, IF you have proof, IF you have legitimate complaints, IF</DIV>
<DIV>you really believe your child(ren) has/have been abused, why</DIV>
<DIV>are you not presenting that in the proper venue? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And just what type of mental abuse is it when a child is being </DIV>
<DIV>made to write or talk about things that they are not necessarily </DIV>
<DIV>privie to? or should be? Especially by the person that kept </DIV>
<DIV>that child in the situation for over 4 years and is just NOW </DIV>
<DIV>saying something about it, one year later?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To quote, directly, from Cor 13:1-7:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, but have</DIV>
<DIV>not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries</DIV>
<DIV>and all knowlege and though I have all faith, so that I could remove</DIV>
<DIV>mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor and though</DIV>
<DIV>I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4. Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not</DIV>
<DIV>parade itself, is not puffed up.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>5. Does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked,</DIV>
<DIV>thinks no evil;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>6. Does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>7. Bears all things, believe all things, hopes all things, endures all things.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This particular chapter deals with what love and a person practicing love</DIV>
<DIV>is to be like towards the people they deal with. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are constantly bringing in sites that deal with known major abuses situations. </DIV>
<DIV>I suggest you try getting your head out of the "poor me - I am such a victim" </DIV>
<DIV>phase of your life and start the healing process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No one is minimalizing the trauma you have been through with your ex; </DIV>
<DIV>except you as you refuse to move you and your kids past it. Not every</DIV>
<DIV>incident or occasion is a reason to scream "ABUSE!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please seek out whatever type of counseling or pastoring that you and your kids </DIV>
<DIV>need and start that process today. Everyone will be the better for it, especially</DIV>
<DIV>your kids.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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