[Vision2020] Idaho tax rates
Mark Seman
FCS@Moscow.com
Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:53:09 -0800
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I agree with Phil, that there are things wrong with the economy here in
Moscow & Latah Co., and the amount of tax exempt property is a definite
contributing factor. We do receive many benefits from all of the local tax
exempt entities, but those benefits are not distributed as evenly as their
costs are. Every economy will have market segments that do well and there
will be the struggling markets. Micro-economics, like macro-economics, the
less discrepancy between the haves and have-nots can be an indicator of a
healthful symbiotic relationship. If it is not artificially created, but a
rather natural occurance, the well rounded economy is the most vibrant and
sustainable through market fluctuations. Over-dependence on limited market
segments leaves most everyone vulnerable.
Moscow's attempts to encourage smart growth should provide for diversity
within that growth. Smart growth takes smart planning and smart
implementation. Past efforts have prompted the system, but the effort needs
to be sustained to develop a truly worthy plan and process. Many issues
need to be addressed outside of the local realm so they can be implemented
within the local realm in a community-positive way. Only a select few are
in a position to provide that conduit for these bigger issues that involve
State &/or Federal agencies, they need to have a sufficient level of
planning to promote resolution of these long-term issues (aquifer, Hwy 270
crossing, tax exemption equity.) Other issues that have more local control
can be developed to greater detail for implementation when their time has
come (Alturus Park, area of impact, residential and commercial development
impacts, downtown vitality.)
People will make it happen. The effort needs to go forward with decisions
being made. Live with the results. Change what needs to be improved and
move on. Stagnation is not a solution for a vibrant community, neither is
rampant land-rape. The distinct scents of languor and pillage have been in
the air for a long time. A sensitive blending to help cut the acrid tinge
of these aromas is long over due. But just because I see it that way
doesn't mean others do, the community needs to make up its own collective
mind ... maybe after the bickering is done.
Mark Seman
*** ***** ***
Full Circle Studios
828 South Washington, Suite B
Moscow, Idaho 83843
v 208-883-3276
f 208-883-0112
FCS@Moscow.com
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Cjsnightclub@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:54 AM
To: dmcourtn@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho tax rates
Dale,
Because of the way we count our population the Feds are going to mandate
that our rain run off be treated also. If we weren't counting the University
students all year round as part of our population we wouldn't even have to
worry about it yet. Here comes another tax levy of 6-20 million. But because
of our lustrous politicians they want to try and fool somebody and keep the
students in the count for some benefit. I don't know what that is.
I am wondering what other federal regulations are going to be coming into
effect now that the population is going up. What new bill is coming when we
reach 25,000?
There is something else too, Dale. It is amazing that most of the
country's real estate in the last seven years has gone up 100% or better.
NOT HERE! I also know of a couple older people that have lived here most of
their life and had to sell out and leave because of the property taxes. I
think that is part of that economic curve that you are talking about. We
truly need a property tax bill that is similar to California or Oregon. You
can actually plan your economic future cause all of us truly have limited
income. Mine isn't growing. How about you? Do you know of ANY business in
town that caters just to local residents and students (other than Wal Mart)
that is flourishing? Speaking of Wal Mart, did ya see last night on
Dateline? They showed how Walmart is fleecing the communities for which they
are housed? Politicians still don't get it.
I truly wish people understood how profits are generated. Must be nice to
have a guaranteed job with a guaranteed check with guaranteed health
benefits for life. It is amazing that all those people that have those
things are swinging from the trees on the far left. If it wasn't for us tax
paying fools on the far right, they wouldn't have a check.
I want to reiterate. I AM thankful that the University is here. I am
thankful for the jobs it creates. I wish it to grow and prosper. On the
other hand. We, the citizens should not be forced and be told that we should
be thankful for the privilege of being over taxed for housing the state's
University. Don't forget the University's employees are also being over
taxed as they are part of the true population base that lives here. They
should have the same cares and wants.
Phil
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the economy here in Moscow & Latah Co., and the amount of tax exempt =
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from all of the local tax exempt entities, but those benefits are not=20
distributed as evenly as their costs are. Every economy will have =
market=20
segments that do well and there will be the struggling markets. =20
Micro-economics, like macro-economics, the less discrepancy between the =
haves=20
and have-nots can be an indicator of a healthful symbiotic =
relationship. =20
If it is not artificially created, but a rather natural occurance, the =
well=20
rounded economy is the most vibrant and sustainable through market=20
fluctuations. Over-dependence on limited market segments leaves=20
most everyone vulnerable.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D908451521-22122003>Moscow's attempts to encourage smart growth =
should=20
provide for diversity within that growth. Smart growth takes smart =
planning and smart implementation. Past efforts have prompted the =
system,=20
but the effort needs to be sustained to develop a truly worthy plan and=20
process. Many issues need to be addressed outside of the local =
realm so=20
they can be implemented within the local realm in a community-positive=20
way. Only a select few are in a position to provide that conduit =
for these=20
bigger issues that involve State &/or Federal agencies, they need to =
have a=20
sufficient level of planning to promote resolution of these long-term =
issues=20
(aquifer, Hwy 270 crossing, tax exemption equity.) Other issues =
that have=20
more local control can be developed to greater detail for implementation =
when=20
their time has come (Alturus Park, area of impact, residential and=20
commercial development impacts, downtown=20
vitality.)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D908451521-22122003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D908451521-22122003>People will make it happen. The effort =
needs to=20
go forward with decisions being made. Live with the results. =
Change=20
what needs to be improved and move on. Stagnation is not a =
solution for a=20
vibrant community, neither is rampant land-rape. The distinct =
scents of=20
languor and pillage have been in the air for a long time. A =
sensitive=20
blending to help cut the acrid tinge of these aromas is long over=20
due. But just because I see it that way doesn't mean others do, =
the=20
community needs to make up its own collective mind ... maybe after =
the=20
bickering is done.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D908451521-22122003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mark =
Seman<BR>*** =20
***** ***<BR>Full Circle Studios<BR>828 South Washington, =
Suite=20
B<BR>Moscow, Idaho 83843<BR>v 208-883-3276<BR>f=20
208-883-0112<BR>FCS@Moscow.com</FONT> </DIV>
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vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Cjsnightclub@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 20, 2003 =
10:54=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> dmcourtn@moscow.com; =
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Vision2020] Idaho tax rates<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
PTSIZE=3D"10">Dale,<BR><BR>Because of the way we count our population =
the Feds=20
are going to mandate that our rain run off be treated also. If we =
weren't=20
counting the University students all year round as part of our =
population we=20
wouldn't even have to worry about it yet. Here comes another tax levy =
of 6-20=20
million. But because of our lustrous politicians they want to try and =
fool=20
somebody and keep the students in the count for some benefit. I don't =
know=20
what that is. <BR><BR>I am wondering what other federal regulations =
are going=20
to be coming into effect now that the population is going up. What new =
bill is=20
coming when we reach 25,000?<BR><BR>There is something else too, Dale. =
It is=20
amazing that most of the country's real estate in the last seven years =
has=20
gone up 100% or better. NOT HERE! I also know of a couple older people =
that=20
have lived here most of their life and had to sell out and leave =
because of=20
the property taxes. I think that is part of that economic curve that =
you are=20
talking about. We truly need a property tax bill that is similar to =
California=20
or Oregon. You can actually plan your economic future cause all of us =
truly=20
have limited income. Mine isn't growing. How about you? Do you know of =
ANY=20
business in town that caters just to local residents and students =
(other than=20
Wal Mart) that is flourishing? Speaking of Wal Mart, did ya see last =
night on=20
Dateline? They showed how Walmart is fleecing the communities for =
which they=20
are housed? Politicians still don't get it. <BR><BR>I truly wish =
people=20
understood how profits are generated. Must be nice to have a =
guaranteed job=20
with a guaranteed check with guaranteed health benefits for life. It =
is=20
amazing that all those people that have those things are swinging from =
the=20
trees on the far left. If it wasn't for us tax paying fools on the far =
right,=20
they wouldn't have a check.<BR><BR>I want to reiterate. I AM thankful =
that the=20
University is here. I am thankful for the jobs it creates. I wish it =
to grow=20
and prosper. On the other hand. We, the citizens should not be forced =
and be=20
told that we should be thankful for the privilege of being over taxed =
for=20
housing the state's University. Don't forget the University's =
employees are=20
also being over taxed as they are part of the true population base =
that lives=20
here. They should have the same cares and wants.<BR><BR>Phil</FONT>=20
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