[Vision2020] Was that the flier?
bill london
london@moscow.com
Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:29:20 -0800
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Sunil-
This is not the best evidence, since I never saw the original flyer, but
I shared the copy (that I emailed to V2020) with several people who did
see the original flyer.
Yes, they agreed. It's legit.
BL
Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> On November 19, Bill London attached a flyer to his post. Can anyone
> verify if that was indeed the flyer that led to the original article
> in the Daily News? If it was, what were the inaccuracies it allegedly
> contained?
>
> Sunil
>
> >From: Rob Keenan >To: >Subject: [Vision2020] Christ Church ad >Date:
> Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:35:10 -0800 > >Egad. I opened up today's copy of
> The Daily Evergreen and found this ad >placed by Christ Church titled
> "It's Not About Slavery. It's About Silencing >Dissent." > >Pardon me
> while I slip into my galoshes so I can wade through this [term
> >censored]. Among other things, in a section entitled "The Charade of
> >Diversity," Christ Church claims "the real issues" are these: > >-
> why secularism can only fake tolerance, diversity, and inclusion, >-
> why secularism undermines rationality and knowledge, >- why secularism
> guts beauty, play, the arts, and laughter, >- why secularism
> inherently encourages racism and violence, >- why secularism has to
> hate the ancient Christian message. > >So Christianity has a long,
> unbroken string of practicing tolerance, >diversity, and inclusion,
> eh? Tolerance like the Salem witch trials of 1692? >Or like the
> Crusades? Or the Inquisition? Or the Holocaust? Or "Christian
> >identity" groups? Or *gasp* enslaving African blacks in the
> ante-bellum >South? > >And rationality and knowledge -- wow. It's
> certainly rational to accept two >contradictory creation stories as
> absolute fact rather than a moral allegory >about a good and
> benevolent creator figure. And contradicting scientific >evidence
> while clinging to words written some 4,000 years ago really speaks >to
> the practice of gaining new knowledge. > >Yeah, the Church has a clear
> market on beauty, play, the arts and laughter, >too. Why, the whole
> ceremony of the Mass and the foundation of modern >Christian worship
> services is pretty theatrical -- never mind that the >ceremonies were
> culled from ancient pagan rites, cannibalism and all. And >laughter?
> Well, I laughed pretty hard when I read this ad. Score one for >you,
> Christ Church! > >Let's ignore for a moment that the most vile and
> heinous acts and >organizations of racial bigotry were founded in
> Christian dogma (the >Crusades, the Ku Klux Klan, American slavery,
> the World Church of the >Creator, the Nazi party) and think on the
> REAL message: that those of us who >view racism and violence as a
> secular problem are obviously suspect. We >should definitely hearken
> back to the peaceful, violence-free days depicted >in the Bible, when
> adulterers were stoned to death by angry mobs and a young >man
> practicing civil disobedience was beaten and put to death in perhaps
> the >most brutal and painful way ever known to man. And remember:
> "Whosoever >looks at another woman with lust in his heart has already
> committed >adultery" -- so we'd better start picking out nice,
> baseball-sized rocks to >have at the ready. > >And secular programs
> simply do not exist that drive home the ancient >Christian message of
> loving one's neighbor as oneself or forgiving your >enemy or feeding
> the hungry, nursing the sick and clothing the naked. We >don't have
> public education, secular homeless shelters, public food banks,
> >clothing drives on government property or any of the other things
> Jesus >asked us to do. > >True, I have drifted rather heavily into
> sarcasm here. But I look to the >closing paragraph of the Christ
> Church ad: "Always be suspicious of >Darwinists bearing such dogmatic
> absolutes. It's oxymoronic. It's >hypocritical." Change "Darwinist" to
> "fundamentalist Christian" and we are >in full agreement. > >I may
> just be a poor Catholic boy from the city, but I know how to recognize
> >horse manure when I smell it. > >ROB >
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Sunil-<br>
This is not the best evidence, since I never saw the original flyer,
but I shared the copy (that I emailed to V2020) with several people who
did see the original flyer.<br>
Yes, they agreed. It's legit.<br>
BL<br>
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Sunil Ramalingam wrote:<br>
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<p>On November 19, Bill London attached a flyer to his post. Can
anyone verify if that was indeed the flyer that led to the original
article in the Daily News? If it was, what were the inaccuracies it
allegedly contained?</p>
<p>Sunil<br>
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>From: Rob Keenan <BENJAMIN_BARKER @hotmail.com="">
</BENJAMIN_BARKER>>To: <VISION2020 @moscow.com="">
</VISION2020>>Subject: [Vision2020] Christ Church ad >Date:
Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:35:10 -0800 > >Egad. I opened up today's copy
of The Daily Evergreen and found this ad >placed by Christ Church
titled "It's Not About Slavery. It's About Silencing >Dissent." >
>Pardon me while I slip into my galoshes so I can wade through this
[term >censored]. Among other things, in a section entitled "The
Charade of >Diversity," Christ Church claims "the real issues" are
these: > >- why secularism can only fake tolerance, diversity,
and inclusion, >- why secularism undermines rationality and
knowledge, >- why secularism guts beauty, play, the arts, and
laughter, >- why secularism inherently encourages racism and
violence, >- why secularism has to hate the ancient Christian
message. > >So Christianity has a long, unbroken string of
practicing tolerance, >diversity, and inclusion, eh? Tolerance like
the Salem witch trials of 1692? >Or like the Crusades? Or the
Inquisition? Or the Holocaust? Or "Christian >identity" groups? Or
*gasp* enslaving African blacks in the ante-bellum >South? >
>And rationality and knowledge -- wow. It's certainly rational to
accept two >contradictory creation stories as absolute fact rather
than a moral allegory >about a good and benevolent creator figure.
And contradicting scientific >evidence while clinging to words
written some 4,000 years ago really speaks >to the practice of
gaining new knowledge. > >Yeah, the Church has a clear market on
beauty, play, the arts and laughter, >too. Why, the whole ceremony
of the Mass and the foundation of modern >Christian worship services
is pretty theatrical -- never mind that the >ceremonies were culled
from ancient pagan rites, cannibalism and all. And >laughter? Well,
I laughed pretty hard when I read this ad. Score one for >you,
Christ Church! > >Let's ignore for a moment that the most vile
and heinous acts and >organizations of racial bigotry were founded
in Christian dogma (the >Crusades, the Ku Klux Klan, American
slavery, the World Church of the >Creator, the Nazi party) and think
on the REAL message: that those of us who >view racism and violence
as a secular problem are obviously suspect. We >should definitely
hearken back to the peaceful, violence-free days depicted >in the
Bible, when adulterers were stoned to death by angry mobs and a young
>man practicing civil disobedience was beaten and put to death in
perhaps the >most brutal and painful way ever known to man. And
remember: "Whosoever >looks at another woman with lust in his heart
has already committed >adultery" -- so we'd better start picking out
nice, baseball-sized rocks to >have at the ready. > >And
secular programs simply do not exist that drive home the ancient
>Christian message of loving one's neighbor as oneself or forgiving
your >enemy or feeding the hungry, nursing the sick and clothing the
naked. We >don't have public education, secular homeless shelters,
public food banks, >clothing drives on government property or any of
the other things Jesus >asked us to do. > >True, I have
drifted rather heavily into sarcasm here. But I look to the >closing
paragraph of the Christ Church ad: "Always be suspicious of
>Darwinists bearing such dogmatic absolutes. It's oxymoronic. It's
>hypocritical." Change "Darwinist" to "fundamentalist Christian" and
we are >in full agreement. > >I may just be a poor Catholic
boy from the city, but I know how to recognize >horse manure when I
smell it. > >ROB >
>_____________________________________________________ > List
services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the
communities of the Palouse since 1994. > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> >
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