[Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage
Donovan Arnold
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Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:51:04 -0700
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<P>You back the destruction of 15 million Americans and don't wish to live the way you say to live. Sane or insane?</P>
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<P>You ought to waving a flag of the Confederacy on your door step Mr. Harrell.</P>
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<P>Celebrate Diversity not Hatred!</P>
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<P>If fighting for the civil rights of law abiding, tax paying, decent Americans to be able to live in a way that doesn't harm another person is insane and perverse Mr. Harrell, then I am the most insane and perverse person you will ever meet. If fighting for the principles of the those that hate, judge, and condemn is sane and normalcy, then I guess you are far more normal and less perverse than I am. You sleep well while thousands of teens blow their brains out rather than deal with people like you. I sleep well knowing that, just maybe, I will give them a little glimer of hope that some people out in the cold cruel world do care about them, and think they should be given just a little bit of a chance at a decent fair life.</P>
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<P>Donovan J Arnold</P>
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<P>>From: John Harrell <JOHNBHARRELL@YAHOO.COM></P>
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<P>>To: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, petew@completebbs.com, vision2020@moscow.com </P>
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<P>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage </P>
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<P>>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT) </P>
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<P>>Mr. Donovan Arnold, </P>
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<P>>Yes, someone is crazy or insane here. </P>
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<P>>Normal, traditional families OR those that are trying to promote perversity. </P>
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<P>>You want to say that everyone that doesn't "celebrate" perversity is crazy or insane. </P>
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<P>>Well, your promoting of perversity is what makes you insane, crazy, not normal. </P>
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<P>>Celebrate normalcy not insanity! </P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: John Harrell <JOHNBHARRELL@YAHOO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: Donovan Arnold <DONOVANARNOLD@HOTMAIL.COM>, petew@completebbs.com, vision2020@moscow.com
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:58:42 -0700 (PDT)
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<DIV></DIV>>Mr. Donovan Arnold,
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<DIV></DIV>>Yes, someone is crazy or insane here.
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<DIV></DIV>>Normal, traditional families OR those that are trying to promote perversity.
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<DIV></DIV>>Normalcy vs perversity.
<DIV></DIV>>Normal or insane.
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<DIV></DIV>>You want to say that everyone that doesn't "celebrate" perversity is crazy or insane.
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<DIV></DIV>>Well, your promoting of perversity is what makes you insane, crazy, not normal.
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<DIV></DIV>>Celebrate normalcy not insanity!
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<DIV></DIV>>Cheers!
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<DIV></DIV>>HAHA! I think Peter is being sarcastic, I don't know him well enough to know or not over the internet, especially after Luke's crazy insane remarks. I really don't think anyone can be so far to the right and still exist in this world with any sanity. But I will take a crack at this just to be humorous back
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<DIV></DIV>> >>Argument 1) They can't reproduce.
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: Well, let me see, could marriage include things like LOVE, companionship, understanding, stability, and commitment? Or is it reduced to simply having sex and reproducing like bunnies on grassy field on a warm summer day?
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<DIV></DIV>>PW "No! We shall build homes for the spinsters and the widowers where they can perform useful work without distraction and the men who remain unwed at age 22 shall volunteer for the Navy or the Merchant Marine, depending their temperments."
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: Oh, so we will let men that have never had sex before and are prevented from being with women alone on a ship together? You are more liberal than I am. I guess since all men would be included there would gay men on these ships too?
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: This means that the moment that a women stops menstruating that the man should dump his wife? And with modern technology same sex partners now can reproduce, only now in a controlled manner that makes sure the child will be well taken care of.
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<DIV></DIV>>PW: "Modern technology is of the Devil, as a glimpse in a typical 'INBOX' will quickly demonstrate."
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: I notice how you so well avoid the "evil" technology by reframing from the use of the internet. You will surely burn will you not?
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<DIV></DIV>>PW: "Making marriage a "love" thing was probably the biggest mistake of Western Civilization. Marriage is of the community and not of the individual's fickle fancy!!! No one should be allowed to court, much less marry, without the approval of at least five upright men from their Church or perhaps of their fathers' Granges, if they live in different parishes."
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: Oh, yes, Love must be excluded from things like commitment, trust, and understanding. We would also not want to confuse the children by demonstrating to them what love is. They might go out and love people in the future, and soon enough, love could spread through the country. Where you are going to find five men that are upright in one community, I don't know, God could only find one man on the whole entire planet, and even he was a sinner.
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<DIV></DIV>>PW: "There's one for some of your "modern technology"!"
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: Yes, not to mention the hiring of about 200,000 high priced doctors.
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: Gee, so is hating people, should we make that illegal too?
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<DIV></DIV>>PW: "Are you sure about that? Seems like that one guy hates just about everyone except perhaps Enoch and Noah, but it's not like we've heard much from them lately...
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<DIV></DIV>>Argument 5) It will lead to polygamy, bestiality, and pedophilia.
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<DIV></DIV>>PW: "And tax credits just for checking out if it's "your style" or not!"
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<DIV></DIV>>DA: We could not afford tax credits if you are paying doctors to measure body parts to make sure they fit their spouse.
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<DIV></DIV>>Peter makes me look like a moderate. :)
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