[Vision2020] Flaggers...

Dan Carscallen predator75@moscow.com
Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:11:03 -0700


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Boring, maybe.  Dangerous for sure.  They put their lives on the line =
daily with all the drivers who are in too big a hurry to slow down for =
road construction.  It's also seasonal, so they aren't looking at that =
paycheck year round. =20

DC
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Don Kaag=20
To: Vision2020=20
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Flaggers...


Janesta:

Boring?  Only if you don't have anything to think about.

Other than periodically turning the sign around, you are pretty much at=20
liberty to listen to tunes on your CD box headphones, work on the=20
perfect tan (Zonker would be jealous!), mentally solve the problems of=20
the world, flesh out the characters for that first novel, fantasize=20
about winning the lottery... the possibilities are endless!

Regards,

Don Kaag

On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:29 AM, JSullivan wrote:

> But how boring of a job!
>
> Janesta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Kaag" <dkaag@turbonet.com>
> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Professional position...
>
>
>> Visionaries:
>>
>> Here's another one:
>>
>> Highway construction site flaggers (Priv): $23.00/hr
>>
>> This does take extensive training... 4 hours to be certified.
>>
>> Hey, wait a minute, that's more than I make teaching, doesn't require
>> an advanced degree, it's air-conditioned, and you can get a tan...
>>
>> Heh, heh...
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Don Kaag
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 07:14 AM, Dale Courtney wrote:
>>
>>> Ted Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I wrote before, the lack of comparison between the incomes
>>>> of top professionals in other fields with the incomes of
>>>> public school teachers is a glaring oversight in your attempt
>>>> to show that MSD teachers are overpaid.
>>>
>>> You must have missed this in all my previous posts. This *has* been
>>> something addressed repeatedly.
>>>
>>> The following numbers are from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Here
>>> are the
>>> Mean Hourly Earnings by profession:
>>>
>>> Accountants & Auditors (S&L): $20.14/hr
>>> Computer Programmers (S&L): $21.27/hr
>>> Accountants & Auditors (Priv): $22.08/hr
>>> Computer Programmers (Priv): $24.49/hr
>>> Engineers, Architects, & Surveyors (S&L): $27.71/hr
>>> Secondary Teachers (S&L): $30.48/hr
>>> Elementary Teachers (S&L): $30.52/hr
>>> Engineers, Architects, & Surveyors (priv): $31.05/hr
>>> Lawyers (S&L): $34.64
>>>
>>> Note: these numbers do *not* take into consideration benefits, etc.
>>> They
>>> also do not take into account the teachers' 60 non-work days per=20
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Would you like me to post a correction to your Letter to the Editor, =

>>> or
>>> would you prefer to do it yourself?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dale Courtney
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
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<DIV>Boring, maybe.&nbsp; Dangerous for sure.&nbsp; They put their lives =
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<DIV>DC</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddkaag@turbonet.com href=3D"mailto:dkaag@turbonet.com">Don =
Kaag</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:44 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Flaggers...</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Janesta:<BR><BR>Boring?&nbsp; Only if you don't have =
anything to=20
think about.<BR><BR>Other than periodically turning the sign around, you =
are=20
pretty much at <BR>liberty to listen to tunes on your CD box headphones, =
work on=20
the <BR>perfect tan (Zonker would be jealous!), mentally solve the =
problems of=20
<BR>the world, flesh out the characters for that first novel, fantasize=20
<BR>about winning the lottery... the possibilities are=20
endless!<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Don Kaag<BR><BR>On Sunday, August 3, =
2003, at=20
09:29 AM, JSullivan wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; But how boring of a =
job!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
Janesta<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: "Don Kaag" =
&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dkaag@turbonet.com">dkaag@turbonet.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
To:=20
"Vision2020" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>&gt;<BR>&g=
t; Sent:=20
Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:20 AM<BR>&gt; Subject: [Vision2020] =
Professional=20
position...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
Visionaries:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
Here's another one:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Highway construction site =
flaggers=20
(Priv): $23.00/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; This does take extensive =
training... 4=20
hours to be certified.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Hey, wait a minute, =
that's more=20
than I make teaching, doesn't require<BR>&gt;&gt; an advanced degree, =
it's=20
air-conditioned, and you can get a tan...<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Heh,=20
heh...<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
Regards,<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Don=20
Kaag<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 07:14 AM, =
Dale=20
Courtney wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Ted Moffett=20
wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; As I wrote before, the lack =
of=20
comparison between the incomes<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of top professionals =
in other=20
fields with the incomes of<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; public school teachers is =
a=20
glaring oversight in your attempt<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to show that MSD =
teachers=20
are overpaid.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; You must have missed this =
in all=20
my previous posts. This *has* been<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; something addressed=20
repeatedly.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; The following numbers are =
from the=20
Bureau of Labor Statistics. Here<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; are the<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
Mean=20
Hourly Earnings by profession:<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
Accountants &amp;=20
Auditors (S&amp;L): $20.14/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Computer Programmers =
(S&amp;L):=20
$21.27/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Accountants &amp; Auditors (Priv):=20
$22.08/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Computer Programmers (Priv): =
$24.49/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
Engineers, Architects, &amp; Surveyors (S&amp;L): =
$27.71/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
Secondary Teachers (S&amp;L): $30.48/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Elementary =
Teachers=20
(S&amp;L): $30.52/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Engineers, Architects, &amp; =
Surveyors=20
(priv): $31.05/hr<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Lawyers (S&amp;L):=20
$34.64<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Note: these numbers do *not* take =
into=20
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take into account the teachers' 60 non-work days per <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
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correction to=20
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prefer=20
to do it yourself?<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Best,<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
Dale=20
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