[Vision2020] Disturbing trends
Tim Lohrmann
timlohr@yahoo.com
Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:06:26 -0700 (PDT)
Joe,
Exactly. The truth is that everyone, especially
those in the public spotlight, have always "paid a
price" for what they say and do.
That's not censorship. The government isn't
involved at all.
A prime example is politicians and government
officials who have been hurt politically for telling
off-color jokes indiscreetly. Some will remember old
Earl Butz, Nixon's Sec. of Ag--canned for a joke.
As Mr. Huffman mentioned, a community or
individual can always boycott a business if it
promotes something with which they disagree.
So what's wrong with that?
The old slogan says: "Freedom isn't Free."
Well, Free Speech isn't free either. It takes guts
to speak up sometimes. And one of the reasons it does
is that you may have to deal with the unpleasant
reaction of fellow citizens who feel strongly the
other way.
TL
--- Joe Huffman <JoeH@turbonet.com> wrote:
> >The very idea that
> >anyone could pay a price for saying anything that
> is politically
> >unpopular is to desecrate the very patriotism that
> the voluntary
> >military has fought and died for.
>
> Am I missing something? Are you saying some
> white-supremacist/Klansman/Neo-Nazi who sells bumper
> stickers that say, "The
> only good nigger is a dead nigger." alongside the
> motor oil and snack food
> at his gas station should not have to pay a price
> (in the form of boycotts)
> for his political views? And if so, how are you
> going to protect him
> against my boycott and my protesting in front of his
> place of business
> without infringing my right of free speech?
>
> I surely don't understand your position. Please
> explain.
>
> -joe-
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> Behalf Of John Danahy
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:35 PM
> To: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Disturbing trends
>
>
> In all the discussion so far on this list there has
> been no more
> frightening statement than that of Scott below. The
> very idea that
> anyone could pay a price for saying anything that is
> politically
> unpopular is to desecrate the very patriotism that
> the voluntary
> military has fought and died for. It is such
> statements, and the vile
> corruption of patriotism that has been co-opted by
> the Bush
> administration, that I am, not anti-war, but
> anti-Bush.
> John
> jdanahy@turbonet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:45 PM
> To: vision2020@moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Disturbing trends
>
> The government hasn't done anything to limit their
> speech. These people have said things that are
> policitically unpopular and now they're paying a
> price. The same thing happened to Dr. Laura when
> she
> made unpopular statements about homosexuals.
>
> -Scott
>
> --- Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Last week, the president of the baseball Hall of
> > Fame cancelled a planned
> > 15th anniversary celebration of the movie Bull
> > Durham because he did not
> > like the fact that Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon
> > have spoken against the
> > war. Never mind the fact that, according to
> > Robbins, all he planned on
> > talking about was baseball and the making of the
> > film. He had no intention
> > of saying anything about the war. In today's
> > Spokesman is a report that
> > actress Janeane Garofalo's scheduled new
> television
> > series may be doomed.
> > She has spoken against the war and criticized
> > President Bush, and the
> > network appears to be folding to pressure to keep
> > her show off the air, due
> > to her audacity. A couple of pages later in the
> > same section is the story
> > of Ed Gernon, the producer of the CBS miniseries
> > "Hitler, The Rise of Evil."
> > After more than a decade with the company, he's
> > been fired for statements
> > he made regarding the project and President Bush.
> > His crime? This quote:
> > "It basically boils down to an entire nation
> gripped
> > by fear, who ultimately
> > chose to give up their civil rights and plunged
> the
> > whole world into war. I
> > can't think of a better time to examine this
> history
> > than now." And one of
> > the presumed rights our troops are fighting for in
> > Iraq is the freedom of
> > speech.
> >
> >
> > Carl
> > Westberg Jr.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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