[Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
Melynda Huskey
mghuskey@hotmail.com
Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:04:27 -0700
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Dale Courtney suspects that I'd be either surprised or in denial if I kne=
w what the demographics of the U.S. Armed Forces are. I'm not sure why h=
e thinks so, but in the interests of extending the boundaries of knowledg=
e, I took a quick look at "Population Representation in the Military Serv=
ice Fiscal Year 2002," a darned compelling little read by the Department =
of Defense.
Blacks represent 20% of total enlisted personnel (approximately 6% more t=
han their representation in the general population)--23% in the Army, and=
less in other branches. They also represent 8% of active duty officers.
Latinos are under-represented in all branches of the services as enlisted=
personnel, except in the Marine Corps, where they have reached parity wi=
th the general population.
"Other," which includes multi-racial, Asian, Native American, and Pacific=
Islanders, are slightly over-represented in enlisted populations.
16% of all officers are non-white across all branches of the service.
I didn't bother to get the details on the drastic under-representation of=
women in all branches at all levels . . . but you can find it for yourse=
lf very easily by googling the title of the report.
Not exactly reeling with the shock of it all,
Melynda Huskey
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Courtney
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:09 PM
To: 'vision2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
Ms. Huskey, =20
Would you care to provide the statistical breakdown of ethnic minorities =
in the military? Then the ethnic breakdown of those who have been killed =
so far? =20
I think you'd be surprised, or in denial. =20
Best,
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On=
Behalf Of Melynda Huskey
Sent: Saturday, 05 April, 2003 22:44
To: John Harrell; vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
Dear John,
I shouldn't bother, but the information you quote below is only part of t=
he story. Points-based admissions systems like Michigan's also award poi=
nts for being the child of alumni (at historically white schools, of cour=
se, these points go most often to whites), for geographic diversity, for =
being a first-generation college student, for coming from a less-represen=
ted area of the state (in Michigan, that's the Upper Peninsula), for havi=
ng specialized athletic ability, for being a veteran, and for all kinds o=
f other things that provide a good mix of students. At some schools--alt=
hough not, I believe, at Michigan--students who don't need financial aid =
receive separate consideration . . . a form of affirmative action for the=
wealthy.
Diversity at its finest, it seems, is a rich mix of non-whites in the fro=
ntlines of combat, but not in the front rows of college classrooms.
Melynda Huskey
----- Original Message -----
From: John Harrell
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:09 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
{see below for article and URL.. I thought this article was interesting}
Excerpt:
The facts in the Michigan undergraduate case are easily understood: =20
On a 150-point admissions scale, an applicant gets points for various =20
achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points for a =20
perfect SAT score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point average--and 20 poin=
ts =20
for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. White or Asian students w=
ith =20
lower than a 950 SAT score are automatically rejected; but if you are b=
lack, =20
Hispanic or Indian the rejection score is less than 850.
And if race-based preferences are constitutional in university admissio=
ns, =20
may there be race-based preferences in other areas--for job application=
s, =20
juror selection or the election of state legislators? =20
>From Bad to Diverse - The Supreme Court debates whether the 14th Amendme=
nt means what it
says
WSJ ^ | April 4, 2003 | PETE DU PONT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=3D110003289
Is racial discrimination in the selection of applicants to attend college=
s and law
schools acceptable--and constitutional--if its purpose is
to achieve diversity in the student body? =20
That was the question argued before the Supreme Court Tuesday. The Univer=
sity of Michigan
says yes, the social goal of diversity is
paramount. The qualified students rejected because of their race say no, =
such procedures
violate their rights under the 14th
Amendment, which guarantees "equal protection of the laws," and Title VI =
of the 1964
Civil Rights Act, which makes discrimination
"on the ground of race, color, or national origin" illegal for any instit=
ution receiving
federal funds. =20
The facts in the Michigan undergraduate case are easily understood: On a =
150-point
admissions scale, an applicant gets points for
various achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points fo=
r a perfect SAT
score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point
average--and 20 points for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. Whit=
e or Asian
students with lower than a 950 SAT score are
automatically rejected; but if you are black, Hispanic or Indian the reje=
ction score is
less than 850. The law-school preference program
is different but practices the same race-based discrimination in favor of=
certain
minority applicants. =20
There is an old law school adage: When you have the law on your side, arg=
ue the law; when
you have the facts, argue the facts; and
when you have neither the law nor the facts, pound on the table and screa=
m like hell.
There was a polite bit of the latter in the
courtroom on Tuesday.
Maureen Mahoney, arguing the law school's case, said that of the "2,500 s=
tudents who are
rejected each year, probably only 80 of
them . . . would have gotten an offer of admission from Michigan under a =
race-blind
system." That, she concluded, "is a very small
and diffuse burden" relative to the benefits of the racial preference pro=
gram. =20
To which Justice Antonin Scalia replied: "I don't know any other area whe=
re we . . .
decide the case by saying, well, there are very
few people being treated unconstitutionally." =20
In the undergraduate case, there is a two-track admissions system, one fo=
r selected
minorities, and the other for everyone else.
Solicitor General Theodore Olson, weighing in on the plaintiffs' side, no=
ted that "the
University of Michigan admissions program has
created a separate path and a separate door for preferred minorities. . .=
. If they meet
basic qualifications, their path is always clear and
their door is always open. . . . Nonpreferred groups face rigorous compet=
ition to get
through the other door." =20
Indeed, the university's lawyer, when pressed to identify a single minima=
lly qualified
minority member who got the 20-point racial
bonus and was rejected for admission, admitted, "I can't give you one." =20
All of which leads to deeper questions. If there are to be race-based pre=
ferences, who
gets to pick the minorities that get the
preference? In the 1978 Bakke case, which involved University of Californ=
ia medical
students, Asian-Americans were included in the
preference class; at Michigan they are not. The 14th Amendment would not =
seem to give
state university admissions officials the
power to make such decisions, but that is what Michigan demands.
And if race-based preferences are constitutional in university admissions=
, may there be
race-based preferences in other areas--for job
applications, juror selection or the election of state legislators? =20
{..snip.. see URL for complete article..}
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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Dale Courtney =
suspects that I'd be either surprised or in denial if I knew what the dem=
ographics of the U.S. Armed Forces are. I'm not sure why he thinks =
so, but in the interests of extending the boundaries of knowledge, I took=
a quick look at "Population Representation in the Military Service Fisca=
l Year 2002," a darned compelling little read by the Department of Defens=
e.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blacks represent 20% of total enlisted pe=
rsonnel (approximately 6% more than their representation in the general p=
opulation)--23% in the Army, and less in other branches. They also =
represent 8% of active duty officers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Latino=
s are under-represented in all branches of the services as enlisted perso=
nnel, except in the Marine Corps, where they have reached parity with the=
general population.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Other," which includes=
multi-racial, Asian, Native American, and Pacific Islanders, are sl=
ightly over-represented in enlisted populations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> =
<DIV>16% of all officers are non-white across all branches of the se=
rvice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I didn't bother to get the details on=
the drastic under-representation of women in all branches at all levels =
. . . but you can find it for yourself very easily by googling the t=
itle of the report.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Not exactly reelin=
g with the shock of it all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Melynda Huskey</=
DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-L=
EFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:=
0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>=
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>Fr=
om:</B> Dale Courtney</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> =
Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>T=
o:</B> 'vision2020'</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B>=
RE: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <META conten=
t=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3DGENERATOR> <DIV><SPAN class=3D39224390=
0-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Ms. Huskey, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SP=
AN class=3D392243900-07042003></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3922=
43900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Would you care to provide the statist=
ical breakdown of ethnic minorities in the military? Then the ethnic brea=
kdown of those who have been killed so far? </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SP=
AN class=3D392243900-07042003></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3922=
43900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>I think you'd be surprised, or in den=
ial. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003></SPAN>&n=
bsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Bes=
t,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003>Dale</SPAN><=
/DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV cla=
ss=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D=
Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> vision2020-admin@moscow=
.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Melynda Hus=
key<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 05 April, 2003 22:44<BR><B>To:</B> John Har=
rell; vision2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?<B=
R><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Dear John,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I should=
n't bother, but the information you quote below is only part of the story=
. Points-based admissions systems like Michigan's also award points=
for being the child of alumni (at historically white schools, of course,=
these points go most often to whites), for geographic diversity, for bei=
ng a first-generation college student, for coming from a less-represented=
area of the state (in Michigan, that's the Upper Peninsula), for having =
specialized athletic ability, for being a veteran, and for all kinds of o=
ther things that provide a good mix of students. At some schools--a=
lthough not, I believe, at Michigan--students who don't need financial ai=
d receive separate consideration . . . a form of affirmative action for t=
he wealthy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Diversity at its finest, it seem=
s, is a rich mix of non-whites in the frontlines of combat, but=
not in the front rows of college classrooms.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DI=
V>Melynda Huskey</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIG=
HT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px so=
lid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original M=
essage -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; C=
OLOR: black"><B>From:</B> John Harrell</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Ari=
al"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FON=
T: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> vision2020</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial=
"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
{see below for article and URL.. I thought this article was interesting}<=
BR><BR>Excerpt:<BR><BR> The facts in the Michigan undergraduate cas=
e are easily understood: <BR><BR> On a 150-point admissions scale, =
an applicant gets points for various <BR> achievements: three point=
s for an outstanding essay, 12 points for a <BR> perfect SAT score,=
80 points for a 4.0 grade-point average--and 20 points <BR> for be=
ing black, Hispanic or American Indian. White or Asian students with <BR>=
lower than a 950 SAT score are automatically rejected; but if you =
are black, <BR> Hispanic or Indian the rejection score is less than=
850.<BR><BR> And if race-based preferences are constitutional in u=
niversity admissions, <BR> may there be race-based preferences in o=
ther areas--for job applications, <BR> juror selection or the elect=
ion of state legislators? <BR><BR><BR>>From Bad to Diverse - The Supre=
me Court debates whether the 14th Amendment means what it<BR>says<BR><BR>=
WSJ ^ | April 4, 2003 | PETE DU PONT<BR>http://www.opinionjournal.com/col=
umnists/pdupont/?id=3D110003289<BR><BR>Is racial discrimination in the se=
lection of applicants to attend colleges and law<BR>schools acceptable--a=
nd constitutional--if its purpose is<BR>to achieve diversity in the stude=
nt body? <BR><BR>That was the question argued before the Supreme Court Tu=
esday. The University of Michigan<BR>says yes, the social goal of diversi=
ty is<BR>paramount. The qualified students rejected because of their race=
say no, such procedures<BR>violate their rights under the 14th<BR>Amendm=
ent, which guarantees "equal protection of the laws," and Title VI of the=
1964<BR>Civil Rights Act, which makes discrimination<BR>"on the ground o=
f race, color, or national origin" illegal for any institution receiving<=
BR>federal funds. <BR><BR>The facts in the Michigan undergraduate case ar=
e easily understood: On a 150-point<BR>admissions scale, an applicant get=
s points for<BR>various achievements: three points for an outstanding ess=
ay, 12 points for a perfect SAT<BR>score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point=
<BR>average--and 20 points for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. =
White or Asian<BR>students with lower than a 950 SAT score are<BR>automat=
ically rejected; but if you are black, Hispanic or Indian the rejection s=
core is<BR>less than 850. The law-school preference program<BR>is differe=
nt but practices the same race-based discrimination in favor of certain<B=
R>minority applicants. <BR><BR>There is an old law school adage: When you=
have the law on your side, argue the law; when<BR>you have the facts, ar=
gue the facts; and<BR>when you have neither the law nor the facts, pound =
on the table and scream like hell.<BR>There was a polite bit of the latte=
r in the<BR>courtroom on Tuesday.<BR><BR>Maureen Mahoney, arguing the law=
school's case, said that of the "2,500 students who are<BR>rejected each=
year, probably only 80 of<BR>them . . . would have gotten an offer of ad=
mission from Michigan under a race-blind<BR>system." That, she concluded,=
"is a very small<BR>and diffuse burden" relative to the benefits of the =
racial preference program. <BR><BR>To which Justice Antonin Scalia replie=
d: "I don't know any other area where we . . .<BR>decide the case by sayi=
ng, well, there are very<BR>few people being treated unconstitutionally."=
<BR><BR>In the undergraduate case, there is a two-track admissions syste=
m, one for selected<BR>minorities, and the other for everyone else.<BR>So=
licitor General Theodore Olson, weighing in on the plaintiffs' side, note=
d that "the<BR>University of Michigan admissions program has<BR>created a=
separate path and a separate door for preferred minorities. . . . If the=
y meet<BR>basic qualifications, their path is always clear and<BR>their d=
oor is always open. . . . Nonpreferred groups face rigorous competition t=
o get<BR>through the other door." <BR><BR>Indeed, the university's lawyer=
, when pressed to identify a single minimally qualified<BR>minority membe=
r who got the 20-point racial<BR>bonus and was rejected for admission, ad=
mitted, "I can't give you one." <BR><BR>All of which leads to deeper ques=
tions. If there are to be race-based preferences, who<BR>gets to pick the=
minorities that get the<BR>preference? In the 1978 Bakke case, which inv=
olved University of California medical<BR>students, Asian-Americans were =
included in the<BR>preference class; at Michigan they are not. The 14th A=
mendment would not seem to give<BR>state university admissions officials =
the<BR>power to make such decisions, but that is what Michigan demands.<B=
R><BR>And if race-based preferences are constitutional in university admi=
ssions, may there be<BR>race-based preferences in other areas--for job<BR=
>applications, juror selection or the election of state legislators? <BR>=
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