[Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
Dale Courtney
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Ms. Huskey,=20
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Would you care to provide the statistical breakdown of ethnic minorities =
in
the military? Then the ethnic breakdown of those who have been killed so
far?=20
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I think you'd be surprised, or in denial.=20
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Best,
Dale
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On
Behalf Of Melynda Huskey
Sent: Saturday, 05 April, 2003 22:44
To: John Harrell; vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
Dear John,
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I shouldn't bother, but the information you quote below is only part of =
the
story. Points-based admissions systems like Michigan's also award =
points
for being the child of alumni (at historically white schools, of course,
these points go most often to whites), for geographic diversity, for =
being a
first-generation college student, for coming from a less-represented =
area of
the state (in Michigan, that's the Upper Peninsula), for having =
specialized
athletic ability, for being a veteran, and for all kinds of other things
that provide a good mix of students. At some schools--although not, I
believe, at Michigan--students who don't need financial aid receive =
separate
consideration . . . a form of affirmative action for the wealthy.
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Diversity at its finest, it seems, is a rich mix of non-whites in the
frontlines of combat, but not in the front rows of college classrooms.
=20
Melynda Huskey
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From: John Harrell
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:09 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: [Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?
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{see below for article and URL.. I thought this article was interesting}
Excerpt:
The facts in the Michigan undergraduate case are easily understood:=20
On a 150-point admissions scale, an applicant gets points for various=20
achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points for a=20
perfect SAT score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point average--and 20 =
points=20
for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. White or Asian students =
with
lower than a 950 SAT score are automatically rejected; but if you are
black,=20
Hispanic or Indian the rejection score is less than 850.
And if race-based preferences are constitutional in university =
admissions,
may there be race-based preferences in other areas--for job =
applications,=20
juror selection or the election of state legislators?=20
>From Bad to Diverse - The Supreme Court debates whether the 14th =
Amendment
means what it
says
WSJ ^ | April 4, 2003 | PETE DU PONT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=3D110003289
Is racial discrimination in the selection of applicants to attend =
colleges
and law
schools acceptable--and constitutional--if its purpose is
to achieve diversity in the student body?=20
That was the question argued before the Supreme Court Tuesday. The
University of Michigan
says yes, the social goal of diversity is
paramount. The qualified students rejected because of their race say no,
such procedures
violate their rights under the 14th
Amendment, which guarantees "equal protection of the laws," and Title VI =
of
the 1964
Civil Rights Act, which makes discrimination
"on the ground of race, color, or national origin" illegal for any
institution receiving
federal funds.=20
The facts in the Michigan undergraduate case are easily understood: On a
150-point
admissions scale, an applicant gets points for
various achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points =
for a
perfect SAT
score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point
average--and 20 points for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. =
White
or Asian
students with lower than a 950 SAT score are
automatically rejected; but if you are black, Hispanic or Indian the
rejection score is
less than 850. The law-school preference program
is different but practices the same race-based discrimination in favor =
of
certain
minority applicants.=20
There is an old law school adage: When you have the law on your side, =
argue
the law; when
you have the facts, argue the facts; and
when you have neither the law nor the facts, pound on the table and =
scream
like hell.
There was a polite bit of the latter in the
courtroom on Tuesday.
Maureen Mahoney, arguing the law school's case, said that of the "2,500
students who are
rejected each year, probably only 80 of
them . . . would have gotten an offer of admission from Michigan under a
race-blind
system." That, she concluded, "is a very small
and diffuse burden" relative to the benefits of the racial preference
program.=20
To which Justice Antonin Scalia replied: "I don't know any other area =
where
we . . .
decide the case by saying, well, there are very
few people being treated unconstitutionally."=20
In the undergraduate case, there is a two-track admissions system, one =
for
selected
minorities, and the other for everyone else.
Solicitor General Theodore Olson, weighing in on the plaintiffs' side, =
noted
that "the
University of Michigan admissions program has
created a separate path and a separate door for preferred minorities. . =
. .
If they meet
basic qualifications, their path is always clear and
their door is always open. . . . Nonpreferred groups face rigorous
competition to get
through the other door."=20
Indeed, the university's lawyer, when pressed to identify a single =
minimally
qualified
minority member who got the 20-point racial
bonus and was rejected for admission, admitted, "I can't give you one."=20
All of which leads to deeper questions. If there are to be race-based
preferences, who
gets to pick the minorities that get the
preference? In the 1978 Bakke case, which involved University of =
California
medical
students, Asian-Americans were included in the
preference class; at Michigan they are not. The 14th Amendment would not
seem to give
state university admissions officials the
power to make such decisions, but that is what Michigan demands.
And if race-based preferences are constitutional in university =
admissions,
may there be
race-based preferences in other areas--for job
applications, juror selection or the election of state legislators?=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Ms. Huskey,=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Would you =
care to provide=20
the statistical breakdown of ethnic minorities in the military? Then the =
ethnic=20
breakdown of those who have been killed so far? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>I think you'd =
be=20
surprised, or in denial. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003><FONT =
face=3Dverdana>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D392243900-07042003>Dale</SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Melynda Huskey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 05 April, 2003=20
22:44<BR><B>To:</B> John Harrell; vision2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[Vision2020] Isn't This Racist?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Dear John,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I shouldn't bother, but the information you quote below is only =
part of=20
the story. Points-based admissions systems like Michigan's also =
award=20
points for being the child of alumni (at historically white schools, =
of=20
course, these points go most often to whites), for geographic =
diversity, for=20
being a first-generation college student, for coming from a =
less-represented=20
area of the state (in Michigan, that's the Upper Peninsula), for =
having=20
specialized athletic ability, for being a veteran, and for all kinds =
of other=20
things that provide a good mix of students. At some =
schools--although=20
not, I believe, at Michigan--students who don't need financial aid =
receive=20
separate consideration . . . a form of affirmative action for the=20
wealthy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Diversity at its finest, it seems, is a rich mix of =
non-whites=20
in the frontlines of combat, but not in the front rows of college=20
classrooms.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Melynda Huskey</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
John Harrell</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 05, =
2003 7:09=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> vision2020</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Isn't =
This=20
Racist?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>{see below for article and URL.. I thought this =
article was=20
interesting}<BR><BR>Excerpt:<BR><BR> The facts in the Michigan =
undergraduate case are easily understood: <BR><BR> On a =
150-point=20
admissions scale, an applicant gets points for various <BR> =20
achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points for a =
<BR> perfect SAT score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point =
average--and=20
20 points <BR> for being black, Hispanic or American Indian. =
White or=20
Asian students with <BR> lower than a 950 SAT score are =
automatically=20
rejected; but if you are black, <BR> Hispanic or Indian the =
rejection=20
score is less than 850.<BR><BR> And if race-based preferences =
are=20
constitutional in university admissions, <BR> may there be =
race-based=20
preferences in other areas--for job applications, <BR> juror =
selection=20
or the election of state legislators? <BR><BR><BR>>From Bad to =
Diverse -=20
The Supreme Court debates whether the 14th Amendment means what=20
it<BR>says<BR><BR>WSJ ^ | April 4, 2003 | PETE DU=20
=
PONT<BR>http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=3D110003289<=
BR><BR>Is=20
racial discrimination in the selection of applicants to attend =
colleges and=20
law<BR>schools acceptable--and constitutional--if its purpose =
is<BR>to=20
achieve diversity in the student body? <BR><BR>That was the question =
argued=20
before the Supreme Court Tuesday. The University of Michigan<BR>says =
yes,=20
the social goal of diversity is<BR>paramount. The qualified students =
rejected because of their race say no, such procedures<BR>violate =
their=20
rights under the 14th<BR>Amendment, which guarantees "equal =
protection of=20
the laws," and Title VI of the 1964<BR>Civil Rights Act, which makes =
discrimination<BR>"on the ground of race, color, or national origin" =
illegal=20
for any institution receiving<BR>federal funds. <BR><BR>The facts in =
the=20
Michigan undergraduate case are easily understood: On a=20
150-point<BR>admissions scale, an applicant gets points =
for<BR>various=20
achievements: three points for an outstanding essay, 12 points for a =
perfect=20
SAT<BR>score, 80 points for a 4.0 grade-point<BR>average--and 20 =
points for=20
being black, Hispanic or American Indian. White or Asian<BR>students =
with=20
lower than a 950 SAT score are<BR>automatically rejected; but if you =
are=20
black, Hispanic or Indian the rejection score is<BR>less than 850. =
The=20
law-school preference program<BR>is different but practices the same =
race-based discrimination in favor of certain<BR>minority =
applicants.=20
<BR><BR>There is an old law school adage: When you have the law on =
your=20
side, argue the law; when<BR>you have the facts, argue the facts;=20
and<BR>when you have neither the law nor the facts, pound on the =
table and=20
scream like hell.<BR>There was a polite bit of the latter in=20
the<BR>courtroom on Tuesday.<BR><BR>Maureen Mahoney, arguing the law =
school's case, said that of the "2,500 students who are<BR>rejected =
each=20
year, probably only 80 of<BR>them . . . would have gotten an offer =
of=20
admission from Michigan under a race-blind<BR>system." That, she =
concluded,=20
"is a very small<BR>and diffuse burden" relative to the benefits of =
the=20
racial preference program. <BR><BR>To which Justice Antonin Scalia =
replied:=20
"I don't know any other area where we . . .<BR>decide the case by =
saying,=20
well, there are very<BR>few people being treated =
unconstitutionally."=20
<BR><BR>In the undergraduate case, there is a two-track admissions =
system,=20
one for selected<BR>minorities, and the other for everyone=20
else.<BR>Solicitor General Theodore Olson, weighing in on the =
plaintiffs'=20
side, noted that "the<BR>University of Michigan admissions program=20
has<BR>created a separate path and a separate door for preferred =
minorities.=20
. . . If they meet<BR>basic qualifications, their path is always =
clear=20
and<BR>their door is always open. . . . Nonpreferred groups face =
rigorous=20
competition to get<BR>through the other door." <BR><BR>Indeed, the=20
university's lawyer, when pressed to identify a single minimally=20
qualified<BR>minority member who got the 20-point racial<BR>bonus =
and was=20
rejected for admission, admitted, "I can't give you one." =
<BR><BR>All of=20
which leads to deeper questions. If there are to be race-based =
preferences,=20
who<BR>gets to pick the minorities that get the<BR>preference? In =
the 1978=20
Bakke case, which involved University of California =
medical<BR>students,=20
Asian-Americans were included in the<BR>preference class; at =
Michigan they=20
are not. The 14th Amendment would not seem to give<BR>state =
university=20
admissions officials the<BR>power to make such decisions, but that =
is what=20
Michigan demands.<BR><BR>And if race-based preferences are =
constitutional in=20
university admissions, may there be<BR>race-based preferences in =
other=20
areas--for job<BR>applications, juror selection or the election of =
state=20
legislators? <BR><BR>{..snip.. see URL for complete=20
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