[RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS

Thu Feb 21 18:24:03 PST 2019

We accept therapist notes, and if someone gave me an LCSW note (after
having only 30 seconds of research), I'd probably also accept it. In my
experience, most people can go to their local primary care physician and
get an ESA doctors note for a $30 copay, so it's not worth fighting about
internet therapists versus local therapists.

Admittedly, I have only had 1 person attempt using an internet ESA note,
and it wasn't signed by a doctor or therapist or anybody for that matter.
On that website, a doctor's note was a $60 upcharge. If it's a huge problem
and you think a person is acting fraudulently in violation of the statute,
consider filing a police report.

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*James Gloveroffice:
772.888.0865cell: 954.254.0436email: GloverJamesR at gmail.com
<GloverJamesR at gmail.com>*

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:54 AM Harry Heist <harry at evict.com> wrote:

> Thanks James and Bob,
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> The problems we are facing are the online LCSWs or therapists that have no
> contact with the “patient” other than a $79 online consultation where the
> patient answers 10 questions online.
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> Getting a legit letter from a legit doctor is not the problem.
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> How are you all dealing with these?  We see the same ones over and over.
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> *From:* landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org [mailto:
> landten-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org] *On Behalf Of *James Glover
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:56 PM
> *To:* RPPTL Landlord Tenant Committee
> *Subject:* Re: [RPPTL LandTen] ESA/SERVICE ANIMAL VERIFICATION MILLS
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> Here's my management company's perspective on it, because we deal with a
> lot of these requests.
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> Our properties allow "normal" pets (size, type, and number) with pet rent
> and a pet deposit. Consequently, our ESA impact is only a loss of pet rent
> and deposit. If the resident brings us a note or prescription from a real
> doctor or therapist, and has a normal animal, then we accept the ESA
> request. We confirm with the doctor that it's a real note, but don't
> inquire further. Tenants sign ESA paperwork referencing the criminal
> statute 413.08, but we aren't investigating whether the physician and
> resident are violating the law.  In my experience, requiring the doctors
> note deters most people with illegitimate claims from online websites. Even
> if the doctor's note and ESA are illegitimate, my property owners are OK
> taking the "loss" on pet rent.
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> However, we have seen a lot of people that use the ESA process to try and
> get pit bulls and other unusual animals into our properties. We also had an
> applicant claim 5 ESA animals for a one bedroom apartment. Requiring a
> doctors note usually deters those people from the start. However, even if
> they follow through and give us the doctor note for the pit bull, we use
> the attached HUD memo as a way to kick the problem to our insurance
> company, or local ordinances to prove the accommodation is unreasonable.
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> *James Glover*
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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Harry Heist <harry at evict.com> wrote:
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> I am curious to see how you all are dealing with tenants and applicants
> who are claiming ESA/Service Animals and providing “proof” of need and
> disability from in and out of state mills.
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> Have any of you litigated one of these yet?
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> We see them weekly.  It is usually a LCSW who operates somewhere in the US
> and now many of these mills are getting ones that operate in each state.
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> Attached is one my client paid for to show how easy it is to get this.
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> We are seeing the same LCSW over and over with the larger mills such as
> CERTIPET.
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> We have advised clients to deny in many cases but nothing has been
> litigated by us yet.
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> The applicant has just gone away or they removed their dog that they tried
> to “certify”
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> How are you advising your landlords or the COAs or HOAs you represent?
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