[CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Tue Dec 12 06:50:30 PST 2017

This discussion reminds me of how lawyers lost their monopoly on real estate transactions in the 50s. The law exists to protect the public. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, the environment is never the same and it ultimately doesn't serve the public. I don't believe in regulation generally, but the reality is that attorney's often sell their skills and the service they provide to the public short and it is ultimately the public that suffers for it. 

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From: "Weintraub, Lee" <lweintraub at bplegal.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:28am
To: "Dan Vega" <DVega at TEVTLaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Regardless, that is the law.

From: Dan Vega [mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <lweintraub at bplegal.com>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <Chernicz at herniczlegal.com>; clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???

Guys, there are many subs who rely on the notice companies to perfect their claims, especially in South Florida.  

As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it.  Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential.   On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole.  

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. 

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: [ dvega at tevtlaw.com ]( mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com ) 

 On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Weintraub, Lee <[ lweintraub at bplegal.com ]( mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com )> wrote:

In litigation.  They draft their own contracts all the time.

From: Dan Vega [[ mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com ]( mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com )] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:17 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <[ lweintraub at bplegal.com ]( mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com )>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <[ Chernicz at herniczlegal.com ]( mailto:Chernicz at herniczlegal.com )>; [ clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org ]( mailto:clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org )
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Lienors are usually companies.  Companies cannot rep themselves.  

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. 

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: [ dvega at tevtlaw.com ]( mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com ) 

 On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Weintraub, Lee <[ lweintraub at bplegal.com ]( mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com )> wrote:

Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course).  But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it.  NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.

From: Dan Vega [[ mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com ]( mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com )] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Weintraub, Lee <[ lweintraub at bplegal.com ]( mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com )>
Cc: Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <[ Chernicz at herniczlegal.com ]( mailto:Chernicz at herniczlegal.com )>; [ clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org ]( mailto:clc-discussion at lists.flabarrpptl.org )
Subject: Re: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

But if lienor prepares lien it’s ok?  

Makes no sense 

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. 

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: [ dvega at tevtlaw.com ]( mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com ) 

 On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Weintraub, Lee <[ lweintraub at bplegal.com ]( mailto:lweintraub at bplegal.com )> wrote:

The attorney general held it does matter. Drafting of liens requires legal analyses that could screw a lienor who relies upon such analysis performed by a non-lawyer. 

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On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Dan Vega <[ DVega at TEVTLaw.com ]( mailto:DVega at TEVTLaw.com )> wrote:

Does it matter who prepares the lien form so long as lienor signs it?  

The notice companies provide a valuable service to many small companies who otherwise would likely blow their lien rights.  

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Daniel R. Vega

Board Certified in Construction Law

Taylor Espino Vega & Touron, P.A. 

2555 Ponce De Leon Blvd., Suite 220

Coral Gables, Florida 33134

Telephone: (305) 443-2043

Facsimile: (305) 443-2048

Cell: (305) 962-5186

E-mail: [ dvega at tevtlaw.com ]( mailto:dvega at tevtlaw.com ) 

 On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <[ Chernicz at herniczlegal.com ]( mailto:Chernicz at herniczlegal.com )> wrote:

Notice companies in Florida regularly prepare claims of lien in violation of Section 713.08(2); now they jut put the company’s name in the “Return to” block but are still in clear violation of this prohibition.

Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar           
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1460 Wood Row Way 
 Wellington, FL 33414 
 Telephone: (561) 753-7511 
 Facsimile: (561) 753-7082 
[ Chernicz at HerniczLegal.com ]( Chernicz at HerniczLegal.com )

From: [  clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org ]( mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org ) [[ mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org ]( mailto:clc-discussion-bounces at lists.flabarrpptl.org )] On Behalf Of Barry Kalmanson
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Subject: [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit

Interesting reading attached regarding a company known as Zlien operating throughout Florida.

After reading the opinion/agreement you may want to look at Section 713.08(2) Florida Statutes.

Sincerely,

Barry Kalmanson

500 N Maitland Avenue

Suite 305 

Maitland, Fl. 32751

407-645-4500 x 215

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