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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;">So if a non lawyer Non lienor drafts contract, and lienor signs it, the contract is not valid???</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;">As long as lienor signs the lien, the law presumes he/she read doc and agreed to it. Fact that lienor did not fill in blanks on a lien form, is inconsequential. On the other hand, invalidating a lien based on same may be catastrophic to the lienor, its employees and the company as a whole. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="color: #1f497d;">In litigation. They draft their own contracts all the time.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="color: #1f497d;">Because a lienor, like any client, can represent itself (other than in litigation of course). But if a company holds itself out as an expert to others and receives compensation for its services, it needs to know how to do it. NTO companies don’t know how to handle complex property title issues or figure out what’s lienable and what’s non-lienable, among other issues.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><br /> On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Charles B. Hernicz, Esq. <<a href="mailto:Chernicz@herniczlegal.com">Chernicz@herniczlegal.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><strong><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: #1f497d;">Board Certified in Construction Law by The Florida Bar <br /></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; color: blue;">Hernicz Legal Services, P.L.<br /></span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: navy;">1460 Wood Row Way <br /> Wellington, FL 33414 <br /> Telephone: (561) 753-7511 <br /> Facsimile: (561) 753-7082 <br /></span><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; color: blue;"><a href="Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com">Chernicz@HerniczLegal.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt; word-wrap: break-word;"><strong>From:</strong> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org"> clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org">mailto:clc-discussion-bounces@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Barry Kalmanson<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, December 11, 2017 4:34 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org">clc-discussion@lists.flabarrpptl.org</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> [CLC-Discussion] Fwd: Online Lien Co. Hits Ohio State Bar With Antitrust Suit</p>
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