<div dir="ltr">Thank you Eric,<div><br></div><div>In this case the A and B are the parents and contributed all funds. To make things messier A and B divorced and converted their interest into TIC (without note of percentages) and then A died giving his portion to his 3 children. So here we are trying to figure out who owns what percentages now!!!</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for the analysis! </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 9:55 AM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg7317516610271041765">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I don’t think there is a default rule that is definitive in this situation. Could be either. Do you have any information about the amount of funds contributed by each party? If so, the proportion of contribution
will control over any (weak) presumption based on interpretation of the deed language.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">There are two competing weak presumptions, and multiple conflicting TIC and community property principles. One presumption is that a conveyance to multiple people not married to each other, such as “B and
C,” produces equal tenants in common in the grantees. But another presumption is that property acquired during marriage is presumptively community property, which means that a conveyance to a married couple “A and B” alone is NOT presumptively TIC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The problem is that the TIC presumption is financial in nature, while the CP presumption is about status of property in the marriage. There is also case law stating that “community property” is not an estate
or a separate entity, so a third party like C doesn’t have a direct “relationship” to a community. If C’s “relationship” was to the community then 50-50 would seem logical. But it makes just as much logical sense under these competing rules to say that conveyance
to “A and B, husband and wife, and C, an unmarried person” creates a TIC relationship between C and A, and between C and B, resulting in equal thirds; but that as between A and B, their 2/3 interest is community property and their property rights between themselves
(not in relation to C) is governed by CP rules and not TIC rules.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It all goes out the window anyway, if there is any evidence of the actual financial contribution by each person. The “equal ownership” TIC presumption is defeated by evidence of unequal financial contributions.
If “A and B” contribute community property funds, then their interest could be calculated against C’s separate contribution. If A and B had separate property savings and they each contributed, then perhaps it would result in 3 separate TIC interests. But the
actual proportion would be governed by the amount of each contribution.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Eric<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Eric C. Nelsen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">coveys and warrants to "A and B, husband and wife and C, an unmarried person"<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do A and B share 50% and C has 50% or does each person have 1/3? <u></u><u></u></p>
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