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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m guessing the divorce papers don’t state what percentage was owned by A and B? If it at least acknowledges that their interest was community property than you can assume their they owned equal shares. Still
doesn’t say how much is owned by C. But if C contributed no funds at purchase and any financing has been paid by A and B, then C might have a nominal title interest only, without much financial interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the other hand—if the conveyance deed is from A and B to themselves plus C, that’s going to imply a gift, and you could look at the REETA associated with the deed which would have to state the value of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Other possibilities and sources of information might help narrow it down. Feel free to call me if you want to talk about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Eric,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In this case the A and B are the parents and contributed all funds. To make things messier A and B divorced and converted their interest into TIC (without note of percentages) and then A died giving his portion to his 3 children. So here
we are trying to figure out who owns what percentages now!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the analysis! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 9:55<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I don’t think there is a default rule that is definitive in this situation. Could be either. Do you have any information about the amount of funds
contributed by each party? If so, the proportion of contribution will control over any (weak) presumption based on interpretation of the deed language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There are two competing weak presumptions, and multiple conflicting TIC and community property principles. One presumption is that a conveyance to
multiple people not married to each other, such as “B and C,” produces equal tenants in common in the grantees. But another presumption is that property acquired during marriage is presumptively community property, which means that a conveyance to a married
couple “A and B” alone is NOT presumptively TIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The problem is that the TIC presumption is financial in nature, while the CP presumption is about status of property in the marriage. There is also
case law stating that “community property” is not an estate or a separate entity, so a third party like C doesn’t have a direct “relationship” to a community. If C’s “relationship” was to the community then 50-50 would seem logical. But it makes just as much
logical sense under these competing rules to say that conveyance to “A and B, husband and wife, and C, an unmarried person” creates a TIC relationship between C and A, and between C and B, resulting in equal thirds; but that as between A and B, their 2/3 interest
is community property and their property rights between themselves (not in relation to C) is governed by CP rules and not TIC rules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It all goes out the window anyway, if there is any evidence of the actual financial contribution by each person. The “equal ownership” TIC presumption
is defeated by evidence of unequal financial contributions. If “A and B” contribute community property funds, then their interest could be calculated against C’s separate contribution. If A and B had separate property savings and they each contributed, then
perhaps it would result in 3 separate TIC interests. But the actual proportion would be governed by the amount of each contribution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Eric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Seattle WA 98144-3909</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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