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<p class="MsoNormal">So I guess to some folks my post was, in fact, Off-Putting. Oh well, can’t please everyone.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m skeptical of AI myself, and don’t think it is a substitute for human thought and action.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u>BUT</u>: it’s in development and is going to keep improving and changing and I would be surprised if it doesn’t have some applications that don’t currently seem apparent. So, these folks are working on that long-term process and I hope
if anybody has some law firms that might participate in the project they’ll throw some names in the hat.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">dc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Nelsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 1:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com>; solo-and-small-practice-section@list.wsba.org; creditor-debtor-section@list.wsba.org; wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Business Law Section <business-law-section@list.wsba.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Off-Topic, but not Off-Putting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I have nothing against the ActiveWords folks—I am responding here because the current AI hype is a huge problem, and I try to take opportunities where I find them to warn people
off.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">First, I highly recommend searching for UW computational linguistics professor Emily M. Bender, and her “AI Hype” postings on social media, YouTube, and elsewhere. She has testified
in Olympia and elsewhere, and of course published professionally, on the hype and the social dangers of incorporating so-called “AI” into computers and systems doing substantive work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><a href="https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6308275/emily-m-bender/">https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6308275/emily-m-bender/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Important points:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">“Artificial intelligence” is a marketing term and is not a coherent concept or a particular technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">The current AI hype in the legal field is largely about large language model (LLM) systems like ChatGPT that, in response to an input, generate text. The generated text is determined
on a statistical basis derived from the contents of the database of text scraped by the creators of the LLM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">LLM responses are
<b><i>inherently untrustworthy</i></b> because they are text intended <b><i>to look like</i></b> a plausible response. They are no more than that. It is basic to the structure and design of LLMs that they will generate
<b><i>plausible-looking but false</i></b> responses a nonzero number of times to a question. This is not a correctable problem because the design of LLMs is founded on this statistical structure. Prof. Bender has called LLMs “stochastic parrots” because they
imitate speech on a randomized (but statistically nuanced) basis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">When an LLM generates a response that looks like a "true" answer to a question, it only means that the statistical process generated a plausible-looking answer that we, on the
basis of other information, and identify as true. If the exact same question is input a second time, the LLM will generate another plausible-looking answer that may or may not be as “true” as the other answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Thanks for taking the time to read this...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Eric C. Nelsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="border:none">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a> <<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="border:none">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Culbertson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 29, 2024 12:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:solo-and-small-practice-section@list.wsba.org"><span style="border:none">solo-and-small-practice-section@list.wsba.org</span></a>;
<a href="mailto:creditor-debtor-section@list.wsba.org"><span style="border:none">creditor-debtor-section@list.wsba.org</span></a>;
<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="border:none">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a>;
<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com"><span style="border:none">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</span></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Business Law Section <<a href="mailto:business-law-section@list.wsba.org"><span style="border:none">business-law-section@list.wsba.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WSBAPT] Off-Topic, but not Off-Putting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I use a software called ActiveWords. It’s not exactly what this query is about, but in case you are curious it allows you to type a couple of keys of your choosing
<i>anywhere you are working on your computer</i> and it will go find and pop open a folder, file, website, or program instantaneously. It saves me a bunch of time and I highly recommend it. Happy to talk about it more if anybody’s interested.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">BUT that’s not the immediate point. The founder of ActiveWords (they have spectacular customer support, BTW—that’s how I know “the founder”) is working on another project for lawfirms, and asked me this question below. So I’m seeing if
the Hive-Mind has some answers:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">___________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-top:0in"><span style="color:#0000CC">[From Buzz Bruggeman, AW]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0in"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">I have been advising/mentoring an AI legal tech startup here in</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC">
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">Seattle. They have some very, very clever and powerful technology.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">Key focus right now is on firms that have/do...</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC"><br>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">a. Doing primarily motor vehicle accident PI work.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC"><br>
b. </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC"> 10+ lawyers</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC"><br>
c.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC"> 30 new cases a month</span><span style="color:#0000CC"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC"> </span>
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#0000CC"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0000CC">Do you know say the names of firms that match the criteria above? Maybe firms you refer cases to?</span><span style="color:#0000CC"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#0000CC">Trying to use Google to search for firms that even tell you the number of lawyers in a firm is impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for any suggestions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><a name="_Hlk52442782">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk52442782">Dave Culbertson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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