<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I don't see why it wouldn't be res judicata/claim preclusion.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I am curious how the court is going to deal with a scenario someone came to me with. Unfortunately I could not take her case due to bandwidth, but her association was suing her for fines etc. for non-compliance with something; but meanwhile, she had a claim in small claims, also about money. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I'm hoping she gets back to me about what the court did with the fact the association "could" have brought its claims as counterclaims in the small claims action, thus arguably should be precluded from running a second lawsuit. I'm curious how that shook out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Which did raise the question, which I don't know the answer to - if a defendant has counter- or cross-claims that take it out of small claims, can/do they move to remove the issue to superior court? Seems unfair to the original plaintiff to put into a system they were trying to avoid; but then again, seems you need to deal with all the issues in one place, and if the other claims fall outside the jurisdiction of the small claims court ... 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From: Carl Gay <<a href="mailto:carl@greenawaylawfirm.com" target="_blank">carl@greenawaylawfirm.com</a>><br>
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Many thanks, Rod.<br>
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Carl:<br>
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I think your instincts are correct. The problem is demonstrating what the<br>
first case was about since there is usually not much of a record in small<br>
claims court.<br>
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*Subject:* [WSBARP] very off-topic question of civil procedure<br>
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Dear Colleagues,<br>
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Can any of you litigators out there tell me if a contract dispute between<br>
the same parties goes to trial in small claims court and the $5,000<br>
judgment in plaintiff?s favor is affirmed in district court, is the losing<br>
district court defendant precluded from later suing the plaintiff over the<br>
identical dispute in superior court?<br>
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Sure seems like res judicata/collateral estoppel to me, but Civil Procedure<br>
101 was in the late 1970?s for me.<br>
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Carl,<br>
Not too long ago, I had to deal with one of these odd ball small claims court situations. You may want to take a gander through the WA Statutes RCW 12.40. It?s not necessarily as straight forward as you would think?(i.e. see RCW 12.40.027):<br>
RCW 12.40.027 Removal to superior court?Restrictions? Simultaneous maintenance of claims?Joinder of claims on appeal. RCW 4.14.010 regarding removal of actions to superior court shall not apply to cases originally filed in small claims court, or transferred to the small claims court pursuant to RCW 12.40.025. No defendant or third party defendant may remove a small claims case from small claims court as a matter of right by merely filing a claim or counterclaim or other request for relief that is beyond the jurisdiction of the small claims court. Claims, counterclaims, or other requests for relief filed by a defendant or third party defendant in excess of the jurisdiction of small claims court may be maintained simultaneously in superior court as a separate action brought by such defendant or third party defendant. Such a superior court action does not affect the jurisdiction of the small claims court to hear the original small claims case. The decision of the small claims c!<br>
ourt shall have no preclusive effect on a superior court action brought pursuant to this section. If the small claims case is appealed, it shall be automatically joined with any superior court case filed pursuant to this section, and the procedures set forth in RCW 12.36.055 shall not apply. Nothing in this section may be construed to limit the small claims court from transferring a small claims case to district court or superior court after notice and hearing. [1997 c 352 ? 5.]<br>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] very off-topic question of civil procedure<br>
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Many thanks, Rod.<br>
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Carl:<br>
I think your instincts are correct. The problem is demonstrating what the first case was about since there is usually not much of a record in small claims court.<br>
<br>
Rod Harmon<br>
<br>
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Subject: [WSBARP] very off-topic question of civil procedure<br>
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Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Can any of you litigators out there tell me if a contract dispute between the same parties goes to trial in small claims court and the $5,000 judgment in plaintiff?s favor is affirmed in district court, is the losing district court defendant precluded from later suing the plaintiff over the identical dispute in superior court?<br>
Sure seems like res judicata/collateral estoppel to me, but Civil Procedure 101 was in the late 1970?s for me.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Carl Gay<br>
Port Angeles<br>
<br>
CARL LLOYD GAY<br>
<br>
Non nobis solum nati sumus<br>
?Not unto ourselves alone are we born?<br>
~the motto of Willamette University~<br>
<br>
Law Offices<br>
GREENAWAY & GAY<br>
Attorneys and Counselors at Law<br>
(Established 1985)<br>
<br>
734 East First Street Suite A<br>
Port Angeles, Washington 98362<br>
Email <a href="mailto:carl@greenawaylawfirm.com" target="_blank">carl@greenawaylawfirm.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:carl@greenawaylawfirm.com" target="_blank">carl@greenawaylawfirm.com</a>><br>
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