<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp44a04814yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Mark,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> The nature of the possession, i.e. either hostile or permissive, is determined at the time of entry and can only be changed by a distinct and positive act. So unilateral permission does not work mid-stream.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Suit has to be filed to stop the running of the ten years.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> If the buyer is fine with it, you must exclude that from the effect of the warranty in the deed. Disclosure does not cure it. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Steve</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp44a04814signature"><div style="color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;color:mediumblue;">Stephen Whitehouse</span><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 205);font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">Whitehouse & Nichols, LLP</span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">P.O. Box 1273</span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">601 W. Railroad Ave. </span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">Shelton, Wa. 98584</span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">360-426-5885</span></div><div><span style="font-style:italic;font-weight:700;">swhite8893@aol.com</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 205);font-style:italic;font-weight:700;"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div>
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On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:00:15 PM PDT, wsbarp-request@lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-request@lists.wsbarppt.com> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send WSBARP mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/wsbarp</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-request@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-request@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-owner@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-owner@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of WSBARP digest..."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Today's Topics:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> 1. Re: Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim (Carmen Rowe)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 2. Re: WSBARP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 (Carmen Rowe)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 3. Re: Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim (Mark Anderson)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 4. Re: Prescriptive Easement Claim and Probate (Eric Nelsen)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 5. Re: WSBARP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1 (jgrant@accima.com)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 6. Juno Auto Response. Re: WSBARP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (laj-laws@juno.com)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 7. Homestead Property - Unrecorded Judgment<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 8. Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure - Removal of Grantor<br></div><div dir="ltr"> (Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:57:32 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Carmen Rowe <<a href="mailto:carmen@gryphonlawgroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">carmen@gryphonlawgroup.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:CAMTVkhCmsp3rawSwChczpWynffrrWnYM8DDDtnWSWyWASwmbEQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CAMTVkhCmsp3rawSwChczpWynffrrWnYM8DDDtnWSWyWASwmbEQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I somewhat skimmed the digest so I may be wrong, but not sure I saw the<br></div><div dir="ltr">following points yet in response to your question.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">One, there is a simple answer to whether you can unilaterally give<br></div><div dir="ltr">permission: No.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have somewhere caselaw/analysis on that, as we had that discussion with a<br></div><div dir="ltr">party who claimed to have "permitted" my client to have his landscaping<br></div><div dir="ltr">there via letter. The caselaw is unambiguous in this answer, unilateral<br></div><div dir="ltr">permission does not stop the clock (and if anything, simply affirms the<br></div><div dir="ltr">hostile use). I don't have access just now and won't until next week, but<br></div><div dir="ltr">if you need the authority drop me a line and I can send.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The only remedy is ejectment, you have to have taken legal action to eject<br></div><div dir="ltr">the neighbor (filed suit) to stop the clock.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think I saw in there something in the P&SA disclosing the issue/waiving<br></div><div dir="ltr">any claim, and I think that's the right approach. But given the time<br></div><div dir="ltr">already spent, if you really want to tighten it up, I'd also make sure<br></div><div dir="ltr">there is a written disclosure/waiver noting the "time is of the essence if<br></div><div dir="ltr">you are buying thinking you'll eject the neighbor yourself" element- say,<br></div><div dir="ltr">that the time period for ripening any potential claim by neighbor resulting<br></div><div dir="ltr">from the encroachment "has either already been met or will be in the near<br></div><div dir="ltr">future, such timing up to the seller to determine in accepting the<br></div><div dir="ltr">property".<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <a href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Olympia/Lacey and primary mailing office:*<br></div><div dir="ltr">1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Seattle office: We are currently moving our Seattle location - notice of<br></div><div dir="ltr">new address coming soon!*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*NOTICE REGARDING OPERATIONS AND COVID-19:* We see our community as working<br></div><div dir="ltr">together to address COVID and its impact on our lives, health, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">business. 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We thank you for your respect in not sharing<br></div><div dir="ltr">this email with anyone.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Mark Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 1:55 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Dear Listmates:<br></div><div dir="ltr">Client owns real property adjacent to real property owned by "Neighbor."<br></div><div dir="ltr">Client and Neighbor do not get along. Client reports that Neighbor has a<br></div><div dir="ltr">fence that has encroached on Client's property for 9 years. Client would<br></div><div dir="ltr">like to avoid any future claim of adverse possession. Client has agreed to<br></div><div dir="ltr">sell the property to a third party. The third party is aware of the<br></div><div dir="ltr">encroachment and is willing to purchase the property subject to that<br></div><div dir="ltr">encroachment.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Will adverse possession be defeated if, at this point, Client grants<br></div><div dir="ltr">permission for Neighbor to use the property as it is currently used? I am<br></div><div dir="ltr">contemplating either a recorded easement or a license for this purpose.<br></div><div dir="ltr">And would Neighbor have to somehow "accept" this permission?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks in advance.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the<br></div><div dir="ltr">individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client<br></div><div dir="ltr">privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not<br></div><div dir="ltr">restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing<br></div><div dir="ltr">attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">others.***<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230803/e94ba033/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230803/e94ba033/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 13:16:21 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Carmen Rowe <<a href="mailto:carmen@gryphonlawgroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">carmen@gryphonlawgroup.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:CAMTVkhA6C_5fPh242A53F9a5EX2WZBj2-n3BY8fr636sN82x8w@mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">CAMTVkhA6C_5fPh242A53F9a5EX2WZBj2-n3BY8fr636sN82x8w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think if you look at the cases, it's still pretty clear - the question of<br></div><div dir="ltr">whether money changes hands is flat out not part of the equation. It's<br></div><div dir="ltr">whether the use is "residential" in nature. Meals and recreational<br></div><div dir="ltr">activities - if simply offering the amenities of the association - are<br></div><div dir="ltr">residential. Now, if they were operating say a tour business off the<br></div><div dir="ltr">property, that's a business. But has to be something outside how a resident<br></div><div dir="ltr">would use it. That's really the key: are the "activities" the same as<br></div><div dir="ltr">someone living there as a resident would? if so, it's "residential" for<br></div><div dir="ltr">purposes of covenants.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The really crappy thing is that it is nigh impossible for an association to<br></div><div dir="ltr">bar use of properties as short-term rentals unless the covenants already<br></div><div dir="ltr">made some reference to the time required/prohibited by leases. A look<br></div><div dir="ltr">at *Wilkenson<br></div><div dir="ltr">*alone might lead one to think that so long as the covenants discuss<br></div><div dir="ltr">"rentals" that you can amend to prohibit short-term rentals, and I've seen<br></div><div dir="ltr">attorneys advise associations as such. Unfortunately, that's fairly clearly<br></div><div dir="ltr">incorrect in my opinion. The subsequent caselaw has not panned out that<br></div><div dir="ltr">way. Simply regulating leases does not (per cases subsequent to *Wilkenson*)<br></div><div dir="ltr">lead to allowing an association to amend to restrict shorter time-frames,<br></div><div dir="ltr">unless there is already some specific reference to time-frames in the<br></div><div dir="ltr">covenants. You very likely can't even pass regulations that substantively<br></div><div dir="ltr">impair such use.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Some dissents along the way have pointed out that this use of *Wilkenson *is<br></div><div dir="ltr">terrible, as no one could have anticipated use of residences as hotels<br></div><div dir="ltr">until the last decade or so (using the words from one such dissent), so how<br></div><div dir="ltr">could you have left the door open to regulate something you couldn't have<br></div><div dir="ltr">conceived of? you couldn't - thus tying the hands of associations under the<br></div><div dir="ltr">current criteria of the law re: amendments. There is even a majority<br></div><div dir="ltr">opinion (from the so very often literary Division III) that eloquently<br></div><div dir="ltr">bemoans the rule - but resignedly notes that the appellate courts must<br></div><div dir="ltr">adhere to the Supreme Court decisions until the law gets with modern times.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">But so goes it, until someone persuades the Supreme Court that the law<br></div><div dir="ltr">needs to change in light of the modern use of such platforms.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">One helpful hint is that an association can at least require that any<br></div><div dir="ltr">short-term rentals comply with the applicable WA statute (RCW 64.37) - that<br></div><div dir="ltr">at least provides some threshold requirements (insurance, etc.). Since it's<br></div><div dir="ltr">legally required by state statute, it's not a barred amendment/regulation<br></div><div dir="ltr">by the association.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The other best approach is a strict and steeply increasing fine schedule<br></div><div dir="ltr">for repeated violations of already existing covenants re: nuisance, noise,<br></div><div dir="ltr">etc. - as the problems inherent with short-term rentals almost always<br></div><div dir="ltr">involve such violations, so hit the owner's pocketbooks for whatever that<br></div><div dir="ltr">may help to deter such use, or get the owner very involved in trying to<br></div><div dir="ltr">ensure good behavior.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">An interesting rabbit hole I've had a few occasions to take a deep dive<br></div><div dir="ltr">into.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <a href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Olympia/Lacey and primary mailing office:*<br></div><div dir="ltr">1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Seattle office: We are currently moving our Seattle location - notice of<br></div><div dir="ltr">new address coming soon!*<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*NOTICE REGARDING OPERATIONS AND COVID-19:* We see our community as working<br></div><div dir="ltr">together to address COVID and its impact on our lives, health, and<br></div><div dir="ltr">business. The nature of our practice lends itself well to virtual operation<br></div><div dir="ltr">and we offer a range of flexible solutions to best work with your needs and<br></div><div dir="ltr">preferences. We are here to support you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">*Privileged and confidential: *This message is confidential. If you receive<br></div><div dir="ltr">this message in error, please let us know, and please delete and disregard<br></div><div dir="ltr">any information it contains. We thank you for your respect in not sharing<br></div><div dir="ltr">this email with anyone.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:11:32 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Bryce Dille <<a href="mailto:Bryce@dillelaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bryce@dillelaw.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Air B&Bs<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:MN0PR11MB623098E4B0341646C74FABBFC805A@MN0PR11MB6230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">MN0PR11MB623098E4B0341646C74FABBFC805A@MN0PR11MB6230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Its not as clear where in addition to rental and use of property other<br></div><div dir="ltr">services are provided such as meals and recreational activities.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Bryce H. Dille<br></div><div dir="ltr">Dille Law, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101<br></div><div dir="ltr">Olympia, WA 98502<br></div><div dir="ltr">Office: 360-350-0270<br></div><div dir="ltr">Cell: 253-579-5561<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[R_Alan_Swanson-WH-200]<br></div><div dir="ltr">** Please note that I use the dictation feature of my iPhone and that<br></div><div dir="ltr">sometimes everything I say does not get properly translated**<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission contains confidential attorney-client communications and<br></div><div dir="ltr">may not be disclosed to any person but the intended recipient(s). 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Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: 08/03/2023 12:58 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I somewhat skimmed the digest so I may be wrong, but not sure I saw the following points yet in response to your question.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">One, there is a simple answer to whether you can unilaterally give permission: No.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have somewhere caselaw/analysis on that, as we had that discussion with a party who claimed to have "permitted" my client to have his landscaping there via letter. The caselaw is unambiguous in this answer, unilateral permission does not stop the clock (and if anything, simply affirms the hostile use). I don't have access just now and won't until next week, but if you need the authority drop me a line and I can send.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The only remedy is ejectment, you have to have taken legal action to eject the neighbor (filed suit) to stop the clock.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think I saw in there something in the P&SA disclosing the issue/waiving any claim, and I think that's the right approach. But given the time already spent, if you really want to tighten it up, I'd also make sure there is a written disclosure/waiver noting the "time is of the essence if you are buying thinking you'll eject the neighbor yourself" element- say, that the time period for ripening any potential claim by neighbor resulting from the encroachment "has either already been met or will be in the near future, such timing up to the seller to determine in accepting the property".<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yaIwO8NwDh1yJGQWP1qK1vhwcBcK5yYclhzfMrEc3GuEfI5eiJ-wA30feUaQTq_2U2bQPszU4]<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <a href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</a><mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Olympia/Lacey and primary mailing office:<br></div><div dir="ltr">1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle office: We are currently moving our Seattle location - notice of new address coming soon!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">NOTICE REGARDING OPERATIONS AND COVID-19: We see our community as working together to address COVID and its impact on our lives, health, and business. 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We thank you for your respect in not sharing this email with anyone.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>>> On Behalf Of Mark Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 1:55 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Defeating Prospective Adverse Possession Claim<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Dear Listmates:<br></div><div dir="ltr">Client owns real property adjacent to real property owned by "Neighbor." Client and Neighbor do not get along. Client reports that Neighbor has a fence that has encroached on Client's property for 9 years. Client would like to avoid any future claim of adverse possession. Client has agreed to sell the property to a third party. The third party is aware of the encroachment and is willing to purchase the property subject to that encroachment.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Will adverse possession be defeated if, at this point, Client grants permission for Neighbor to use the property as it is currently used? I am contemplating either a recorded easement or a license for this purpose. And would Neighbor have to somehow "accept" this permission?<br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks in advance.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Mark B. Anderson<br></div><div dir="ltr">ANDERSON LAW FIRM PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">821 Dock St Ste 209 PMB 4-12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tacoma, Washington 98402<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1750<br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 253-327-1751 (fax)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:marka@mbaesq.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">marka@mbaesq.com</a><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com><mailto:marka@mbaesq.com<mailto:marka@mbaesq.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">www.mbaesq.com<<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><<a href="http://www.mbaesq.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mbaesq.com/</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual named recipient. It may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, work product doctrine, or other confidentiality protection. 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Thank you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">***Disclaimer: Please note that RPPT listserv participation is not restricted to practicing attorneys and may include non-practicing attorneys, law students, professionals working in related fields, and others.***<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230803/4ea8673d/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230803/4ea8673d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:05:06 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Eric Nelsen <<a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Prescriptive Easement Claim and Probate<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:SA1PR05MB7888DDEB0386589D8D7765AADD08A@SA1PR05MB7888.namprd05.prod.outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">SA1PR05MB7888DDEB0386589D8D7765AADD08A@SA1PR05MB7888.namprd05.prod.outlook.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I would argue no effect. The case law is clear that the claim process is for "general charges against the assets of the estate" and I don't think a possessory claim to specific real property can be construed to fit into that.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My other thought is the more general case law stating that the estate has no better title to property than the decedent had, and heirs inherit it with all encumbrances and defects, whatever they may be. Another line of reasoning that confirms that adverse possession isn't affected by the creditor nonclaim statute.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric C. Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1417 31st Ave South<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle WA 98144-3909<br></div><div dir="ltr">206-625-0092<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Roger Hawkes<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:13 AM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Prescriptive Easement Claim and Probate<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric: in your opinion, would a creditors claim notice sent to adjoining land owners have any preclusive effect for a later asserted ap claim?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 3:30 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>>; 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Prescriptive Easement Claim and Probate<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Your instinct is correct, the creditor claim process doesn't apply to such claims. The statutory process is only for claims for money "as a general charge against the assets of the estate," meaning a mere unsecured debt owed by the decedent. A dispute over ownership of specific property that the Estate also claims is not subject to the process. These aren't exactly on point for adverse possession, but see O'Steen v. Wineberg's Estate, 30 Wn.App. 923 (1982), Compton v. Westerman, 150 Wash. 391 (1928), Gottwig v. Blaine, 59 Wn.App. 99 (1990), Baird v. Knutzen, 49 Wn.2d 308 (1956), Foley v. Smith, 14 Wn.App. 285 (1975).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">For adverse possession, I think it's logical that a creditor claim does not need to be filed. The claimant has actual possession of the claimed property, and it's really the Estate who should have to file for trespass and ejectment against the claimant. If that suit by the Estate to recover the property is barred by 10-year statute of limitations, then conversely the claimant has to be entitled to quiet title in themselves.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Let's say the claimant doesn't bother to file against the Estate. The Estate will eventually deed the property either to a buyer or to heirs. At that point the claimant can sue the current holders of the property, based on adverse possession, and again the lack of a claim against the Estate can't be a problem. Otherwise, every time a property owner died, all adverse possession claims against them would be re-set to zero, contrary to the principles of tacking of adverse possession.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sincerely,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Eric C. Nelsen<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sayre Law Offices, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1417 31st Ave South<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle WA 98144-3909<br></div><div dir="ltr">206-625-0092<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">eric@sayrelawoffices.com</a><mailto:eric@sayrelawoffices.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a><mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 2:49 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: 'WSBA Real Property Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com>>; 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv' <<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Prescriptive Easement Claim and Probate<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Is the claimant of a prescriptive easement and/or adverse possession against a decedent's property entitled to notice to creditor and are such claims subject to claim limitation periods in probate? In other words, is a claim for a prescriptive easement and/or adverse possession barred if the claimant fails to present the claim within the limitations period set forth in RCW 11.40 et seq.?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am not finding any authority directly on point. It would seem strange that claims that are considered perfected after the required period would be barred and I would not call a claimant in this scenario a "creditor," but these surely are "claims."<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sam<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Samuel M. Meyler<br></div><div dir="ltr">Meyler Legal, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">1700 Westlake Ave. N., Ste. 200<br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle, Washington 98109<br></div><div dir="ltr">Tel: 206.876.7770<br></div><div dir="ltr">Fax: 206.876.7771<br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">samuel@meylerlegal.com</a><mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">NOTICE:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This electronic message contains information which may be Confidential or Privileged and constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act 18 USC 2510. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. 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It was approved by the % needed under the CC&R?s to amend. I thought that once approved that would be binding on all members of the HOA, as well as grantees in the future of those members. Yes?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> On Behalf Of Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 1:16 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think if you look at the cases, it's still pretty clear - the question of whether money changes hands is flat out not part of the equation. It's whether the use is "residential" in nature. Meals and recreational activities - if simply offering the amenities of the association - are residential. Now, if they were operating say a tour business off the property, that's a business. But has to be something outside how a resident would use it. That's really the key: are the "activities" the same as someone living there as a resident would? if so, it's "residential" for purposes of covenants. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The really crappy thing is that it is nigh impossible for an association to bar use of properties as short-term rentals unless the covenants already made some reference to the time required/prohibited by leases. A look at Wilkenson alone might lead one to think that so long as the covenants discuss "rentals" that you can amend to prohibit short-term rentals, and I've seen attorneys advise associations as such. Unfortunately, that's fairly clearly incorrect in my opinion. The subsequent caselaw has not panned out that way. Simply regulating leases does not (per cases subsequent to Wilkenson) lead to allowing an association to amend to restrict shorter time-frames, unless there is already some specific reference to time-frames in the covenants. You very likely can't even pass regulations that substantively impair such use. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Some dissents along the way have pointed out that this use of Wilkenson is terrible, as no one could have anticipated use of residences as hotels until the last decade or so (using the words from one such dissent), so how could you have left the door open to regulate something you couldn't have conceived of? you couldn't - thus tying the hands of associations under the current criteria of the law re: amendments. There is even a majority opinion (from the so very often literary Division III) that eloquently bemoans the rule - but resignedly notes that the appellate courts must adhere to the Supreme Court decisions until the law gets with modern times.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">But so goes it, until someone persuades the Supreme Court that the law needs to change in light of the modern use of such platforms. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">One helpful hint is that an association can at least require that any short-term rentals comply with the applicable WA statute (RCW 64.37) - that at least provides some threshold requirements (insurance, etc.). Since it's legally required by state statute, it's not a barred amendment/regulation by the association. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The other best approach is a strict and steeply increasing fine schedule for repeated violations of already existing covenants re: nuisance, noise, etc. - as the problems inherent with short-term rentals almost always involve such violations, so hit the owner's pocketbooks for whatever that may help to deter such use, or get the owner very involved in trying to ensure good behavior.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">An interesting rabbit hole I've had a few occasions to take a deep dive into.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Carmen Rowe<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yaIwO8NwDh1yJGQWP1qK1vhwcBcK5yYclhzfMrEc3GuEfI5eiJ-wA30feUaQTq_2U2bQPszU4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4yaIwO8NwDh1yJGQWP1qK1vhwcBcK5yYclhzfMrEc3GuEfI5eiJ-wA30feUaQTq_2U2bQPszU4</a>> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (360) 669-3576 (direct cell)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Email: <mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com> <a href="mailto:Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carmen@GryphonLawGroup.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Olympia/Lacey and primary mailing office:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">1415 College Street SE, Lacey, WA 98503<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Seattle office: We are currently moving our Seattle location - notice of new address coming soon!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">NOTICE REGARDING OPERATIONS AND COVID-19: We see our community as working together to address COVID and its impact on our lives, health, and business. 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We thank you for your respect in not sharing this email with anyone. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:11:32 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Bryce Dille <<a href="mailto:Bryce@dillelaw.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bryce@dillelaw.com</a> <mailto:Bryce@dillelaw.com> ><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com> ><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Air B&Bs<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:MN0PR11MB623098E4B0341646C74FABBFC805A@MN0PR11MB6230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">MN0PR11MB623098E4B0341646C74FABBFC805A@MN0PR11MB6230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com</a> <mailto:MN0PR11MB623098E4B0341646C74FABBFC805A@MN0PR11MB6230.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> ><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Its not as clear where in addition to rental and use of property other services are provided such as meals and recreational activities.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Bryce H. Dille<br></div><div dir="ltr">Dille Law, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr">2010 Caton Way SW Ste. 101<br></div><div dir="ltr">Olympia, WA 98502<br></div><div dir="ltr">Office: 360-350-0270<br></div><div dir="ltr">Cell: 253-579-5561<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">[R_Alan_Swanson-WH-200]<br></div><div dir="ltr">** Please note that I use the dictation feature of my iPhone and that sometimes everything I say does not get properly translated**<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This transmission contains confidential attorney-client communications and may not be disclosed to any person but the intended recipient(s). If this matter is transmitted to you in error, please notify the sender immediately.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Business Entity Creation and Management, Business, Government and Tax Law, Real Estate and Land Use, Residential, Commercial and Condominium Development Real Estate and Commercial Transactions & Closings, Including Performing Services as IRS Section 1031 Exchange Facilitator Estate Planning, including Wills and Trusts, and Probate Administration Representation Homeowners/Condominium Association Real Estate Developments Real Property Foreclosures and Forfeitures.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com> > On Behalf Of Haylee Hurst<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 12:57 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Air B&Bs<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Bryce, take a look at Wilkinson v. Chiwawa Communities Ass'n, 180 Wash. 2d 241, 327 P.3d 614 (2014).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">TL:DR - Short-term rentals are a "residential" as opposed to "commercial" use for purposes of restrictive covenants.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230804/8e53d536/attachment-0001.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/wsbarp/attachments/20230804/8e53d536/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 6<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT)<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <a href="mailto:laj-laws@juno.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">laj-laws@juno.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Juno Auto Response. Re: WSBARP Digest, Vol 107,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> Issue 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:AABUN4KTWAAJWH5A@maildeliver01.dca.untd.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">AABUN4KTWAAJWH5A@maildeliver01.dca.untd.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Mr. Johnstone is currently out of the office, but will be back in Monday<br></div><div dir="ltr">afternoon, August 7th. Feel free to leave him a message here or on his <br></div><div dir="ltr">toll free 888.298.1647 number.<br></div><div dir="ltr">He will get back to you once he returns to the office.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The Law Offices of Larry A. Johnstone, Attorney at Law, PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 7<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 09:58:16 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a href="mailto:Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'WSBA Real Property Listserv'" <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [WSBARP] Homestead Property - Unrecorded Judgment<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <00b401d9c6f4$ddbc10f0$993432d0$@bellanddavispllc.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Listmates:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am interested in understanding how RCW 6.13.090 works. Homeowner files<br></div><div dir="ltr">chapter 7 and discharges a debt from a default judgment that was never<br></div><div dir="ltr">recorded. Debtor had a home with equity of just over the homestead amount,<br></div><div dir="ltr">but when considering cost of sale, no action by bk trustee against the home,<br></div><div dir="ltr">and the discharge entered and case closed. Judgment is still listed on a<br></div><div dir="ltr">pre-sale report. RCW states in part, a judgment "shall become a lien on the<br></div><div dir="ltr">value of the homestead property in excess of the homestead exemption from<br></div><div dir="ltr">the time the judgment creditor records the judgment with the recording<br></div><div dir="ltr">officer of the county where the property is located." Does the judgment<br></div><div dir="ltr">creditor have any "lien" against the property post-bankruptcy?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jeff <br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">W. Jeff Davis<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">BELL & DAVIS PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorneys at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr">P.O. Box 510<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">720 E. Washington Street, Suite 105<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sequim WA 98382<br></div><div dir="ltr">Phone: (360) 683.1129 <br></div><div dir="ltr">Fax: (360) 683.1258 <br></div><div dir="ltr">email: <mailto:jeff@bellanddavispllc.com> <a href="mailto:jeff@bellanddavispllc.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jeff@bellanddavispllc.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a href="http://www.bellanddavispllc.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.bellanddavispllc.com/</a>> www.bellanddavispllc.com<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged,<br></div><div dir="ltr">confidential, and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended<br></div><div dir="ltr">recipient, any dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly<br></div><div dir="ltr">prohibited. 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I have no clue where<br></div><div dir="ltr">those are authorized. Also, what if the Grantor, of such deed, fails to get<br></div><div dir="ltr">out. Does the Grantee have the same rights as the purchaser at a deed of<br></div><div dir="ltr">trust foreclosure sale? Can you agree as part of the Deed in lieu, that if<br></div><div dir="ltr">the Grantor does not vacate by a date certain, that the Grantee can treat<br></div><div dir="ltr">the Grantor as a squatter, or trespasser and use a three day notice to<br></div><div dir="ltr">vacate under 59.12?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jeff <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">W. Jeff Davis<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">BELL & DAVIS PLLC<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Attorneys at Law<br></div><div dir="ltr">P.O. Box 510<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">720 E. 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