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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">That is a great link, thank you Nestor!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I own a 1914 home, a 1938 home, a 1935 home, and a 1949 home. I am pretty sure that I have ghosts in one or more of them. :D</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4c76a2">Mark C. 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The legislature has determined that “murder, suicide or other death” are not “material facts” that a real estate broker would be required to disclose to a party. RCW 18.86.010(9). Some other states have ruled on this issue. While it is not binding here, <i>Milliken v Jacono</i>, et al. out of Pennsylvania considered whether a murder-suicide in a home was a “material defect” requiring disclosure based on a similar seller disclosure form to our Form 17. Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court ruled that it was not a “material defect” and that, “psychological stigmas are not material defects of property that sellers must disclose to buyers.” Non-binding, but worth considering. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">If the seller is specifically asked whether there has been a death or suicide in the home, that is obviously a different story. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Sam</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Samuel M. Meyler</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Meyler Legal, PLLC </span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">1700 Westlake Ave. N., Ste. 200</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Seattle, Washington 98109</span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Tel:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> 206.876.7770</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Fax:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> 206.876.7771</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Email:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><a href="mailto:samuel@meylerlegal.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">samuel@meylerlegal.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">NOTICE:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">This electronic message contains information which may be Confidential or Privileged and constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act 18 USC 2510. 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Thank you.</span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> <<a href="mailto:wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Gourley<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 23, 2023 11:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> WSBA Real Property Listserv <<a href="mailto:wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com">wsbarp@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [WSBARP] Suicide disclosure</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Listmates, does anyone know what the seller’s disclosure requirement ( if any) is when someone has committed suicide in a home? 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